crkhd said:

Over the years I have gotten increasingly more and more jaded by social interaction. It doesn't really stop me from being happy and in the moment but it does take the mystery out of 'the great mystery', the 'big question' of "what happens next?".


We're all bags of water and shit, we're a bunch of machines. Disregarding ideas of free will, and soul, we all respond in similar ways to similar situations. The more I look at our differences, the more I see that all of these bags of poop water are exactly like the bag of poop water I inhabit. Debates are boring. I know why you're saying what you say and I know why I'm saying what I say.


I have no choice but to extend compassion to all human beings because I know that in their shoes, with their knowledge, I would do and say the exact same damn things that they are saying right now. It's very very rare that someone takes me by surprise in doing something vaguely creative and unpredictable. And even then you can always pin down why they did that unpredictable thing to securing some component on Maslow's pyramid of needs.

It's like reading Harry Potter and knowing that Snape kills Dumbledore before you actually get a chance to even fucking open the book. I'm sure you guys can correlate.

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I'm sure you guys can correlate.

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Diploid said:

We're all bags of water and shit

Speak for yourself. My bag also has Cuban herbs and spices. Mmmm oregano!

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crkhd said:

Over the years I have gotten increasingly more and more jaded by social interaction. It doesn't really stop me from being happy and in the moment but it does take the mystery out of 'the great mystery', the 'big question' of "what happens next?".


We're all bags of water and shit, we're a bunch of machines. Disregarding ideas of free will, and soul, we all respond in similar ways to similar situations. The more I look at our differences, the more I see that all of these bags of poop water are exactly like the bag of poop water I inhabit. Debates are boring. I know why you're saying what you say and I know why I'm saying what I say.


I have no choice but to extend compassion to all human beings because I know that in their shoes, with their knowledge, I would do and say the exact same damn things that they are saying right now. It's very very rare that someone takes me by surprise in doing something vaguely creative and unpredictable. And even then you can always pin down why they did that unpredictable thing to securing some component on Maslow's pyramid of needs.

It's like reading Harry Potter and knowing that Snape kills Dumbledore before you actually get a chance to even fucking open the book. I'm sure you guys can correlate.

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i had a feeling you were gonna say something like that

no i feel similar most of the time, lots of it is all very predictable.  thank god for music festivals, where freaks can meet once a year and refresh the minds with spontaneity.

LunarEclipse said:

Why the heck should I have so much compassion for those that want to harm me?  Weakness shown in any pack situation is cause for mob attack.  Are you sure that maybe you just are being wimpy with all that analysis while everyone else controls you and you feel bad about it yet think you should have compassion?  And, it's nothing like reading harry potter.  Why would you read that garbage anyway?  See that's where the trouble really begins, you get into all that fantasy shit.  Next thing you know you got SAD or are hooked on some violent video game or both.

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LunarEclipse said:

Why the heck should I have so much compassion for those that want to harm me?  Weakness shown in any pack situation is cause for mob attack.  Are you sure that maybe you just are being wimpy with all that analysis while everyone else controls you and you feel bad about it yet think you should have compassion?  And, it's nothing like reading harry potter.  Why would you read that garbage anyway?  See that's where the trouble really begins, you get into all that fantasy shit.  Next thing you know you got SAD or are hooked on some violent video game or both.

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crkhd said:

LunarEclipse said:

Why the heck should I have so much compassion for those that want to harm me?  Weakness shown in any pack situation is cause for mob attack.  Are you sure that maybe you just are being wimpy with all that analysis while everyone else controls you and you feel bad about it yet think you should have compassion?  And, it's nothing like reading harry potter.  Why would you read that garbage anyway?  See that's where the trouble really begins, you get into all that fantasy shit.  Next thing you know you got SAD or are hooked on some violent video game or both.

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I think you misread. Compassion, not in the sense of "I'm allowing you to be stupid" but rather in the sense of "I totally understand your drive, situation and actions". If someone is an asshole I still think they're an asshole. But being aware of our machine-like nature I have no qualms about accepting their behaviour. When I was a child I'd let negative people rustle my jimmies super hard but now I almost feel pity for the ignorant as I see ignorance & negativity as a form of suffering.



White Beard, I hang out with all sorts of people. Socially I am in a very different state, I'm more of a nomadic type these days with no tribal affiliation, if you get what I mean. It doesn't matter. I meet people of all walks of life and it just digs this jadedness in harder and harder. I guess it's from all that emptiness meditation.

Everything really is just so damn empty. I mean I know how much one's intrinsic mood can colour the world. You might be depressed one day and think the whole of life is sucky and there genuinely is no point to it. You might be super happy another day and feel as if everyone else is joyful too. But these are just projections. I am not projecting here (to the limit I can humanly avoid projecting anyway).


Humour is decomposed into its logical progressions & twists. People's moods are decomposed into their causes and conditionings. People's drives are decomposed into their survival traits. Everything has an experience of uniformity, homogenity, sameness. The substance that is "happy" feels as the same substance that is "sad", that is "paper", that is "computer", that is "red", that is "pain", that is "fire", that is "space". Just a taste of sameness, voidness, sunyata. I've seen absolutely nothing, yet I've seen it all, yet I have barely had a glimpse. And it's not reversible, I've spent too much time switching on these mirror neurons to ever go back. I'm not unhappy either, I'm not bored. Quite the contrary, I am ecstatic and full of wonder and amazement. Yet... Just jaded.

It seems that in the rabid search for novelty, there is a point where the very concept of novelty itself just dissolves. A richly coloured and linguistically flavoured book is no different from another pattern in the texture of a brick. The same fingerprint pervades the universe, it is inescapable, and once you see this fingerprint it's like being able to tell everything is a shoop... just from the pixels, it's all in the pixels.


"Blessed are the birds in their cages who know the limits of their prisons"

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blankk said:

crkhd said:

Over the years I have gotten increasingly more and more jaded by social interaction. It doesn't really stop me from being happy and in the moment but it does take the mystery out of 'the great mystery', the 'big question' of "what happens next?".


We're all bags of water and shit, we're a bunch of machines. Disregarding ideas of free will, and soul, we all respond in similar ways to similar situations. The more I look at our differences, the more I see that all of these bags of poop water are exactly like the bag of poop water I inhabit. Debates are boring. I know why you're saying what you say and I know why I'm saying what I say.


I have no choice but to extend compassion to all human beings because I know that in their shoes, with their knowledge, I would do and say the exact same damn things that they are saying right now. It's very very rare that someone takes me by surprise in doing something vaguely creative and unpredictable. And even then you can always pin down why they did that unpredictable thing to securing some component on Maslow's pyramid of needs.

It's like reading Harry Potter and knowing that Snape kills Dumbledore before you actually get a chance to even fucking open the book. I'm sure you guys can correlate.

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i had a feeling you were gonna say something like that

no i feel similar most of the time, lots of it is all very predictable.  thank god for music festivals, where freaks can meet once a year and refresh the minds with spontaneity.

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quinn said:

snape kills dumbledore??

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kali ma said:

simple minded sheep seem to live happier lives than the philosophers. Perhaps the pursuit of conciousness exploration is making you miss the forest for the trees while the sheep just see how amazing the forest is and search for as much simple pleasure as they can find. Maybe the experience of existence is more important than the understanding

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Repertoire89 said:

kali ma said:

simple minded sheep seem to live happier lives than the philosophers. Perhaps the pursuit of conciousness exploration is making you miss the forest for the trees while the sheep just see how amazing the forest is and search for as much simple pleasure as they can find. Maybe the experience of existence is more important than the understanding

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Highly disagree, an example is in music:
The ignorant who don't understand the theory behind music are only aware of a fraction of it and could not possibly appreciate as much as one who can clearly hear the harmonies count the rhythms watch the modulations. Without being aware of the subtleties it is like painting colorblind, or listening to poetry in a language you don't know.

Philosophy might make one a sad person if they're not fulfilled or lack understanding, but with understanding comes the power to transform your consciousness and to be happy while others would be sad.

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Yes, philosophy doesn't add to the confusion and philosophers are all such a happy bunch of folks.  Rarely question or waste time pondering.  Too much happiness going on.

Repertoire89 said:

kali ma said:

simple minded sheep seem to live happier lives than the philosophers. Perhaps the pursuit of conciousness exploration is making you miss the forest for the trees while the sheep just see how amazing the forest is and search for as much simple pleasure as they can find. Maybe the experience of existence is more important than the understanding

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Highly disagree, an example is in music:
The ignorant who don't understand the theory behind music are only aware of a fraction of it and could not possibly appreciate as much as one who can clearly hear the harmonies count the rhythms watch the modulations. Without being aware of the subtleties it is like painting colorblind, or listening to poetry in a language you don't know.

Philosophy might make one a sad person if they're not fulfilled or lack understanding, but with understanding comes the power to transform your consciousness and to be happy while others would be sad.

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LunarEclipse said:

Yes, philosophy doesn't add to the confusion and philosophers are all such a happy bunch of folks.  Rarely question or waste time pondering.  Too much happiness going on.

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kali ma said:

I understand the analogy but i dont think appreciation for music is a valid analogy compared to understanding existence. Im actually a full time guitar/percussion/piano teacher and audio engineer on the side and have found this to make me a little jaded towards music.

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Repertoire89 said:

LunarEclipse said:

Yes, philosophy doesn't add to the confusion and philosophers are all such a happy bunch of folks.  Rarely question or waste time pondering.  Too much happiness going on.

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Someone with understanding will see clearly that the emotions should be minded, and someone with understanding will see clearly how this is to be done. A philosopher would be a fool not to understand that simple concept, there are many fools.

kali ma said:

I understand the analogy but i dont think appreciation for music is a valid analogy compared to understanding existence. Im actually a full time guitar/percussion/piano teacher and audio engineer on the side and have found this to make me a little jaded towards music.

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I've met people with that problem, understand exactly what you're saying and where you're coming from. You need to change your set:
Not enjoying = not challenged = not challenging one's self = change set

On Schubert's death bed he complained of having too many new ideas to write, that he died early. One of the Great Composers, a great mind who was not at rest though he understands well enough to write concerto's at full performance speed. For myself I've studied Western Classical, Jazz, American Folk, Blues, West African Folk: Griot + Songhrai, Irish Folk, Indian Classical: Khyal + Dhrupad. My interest only grows

With understanding comes appreciation, with understanding comes the means for which change can be made. Shifting gears, shifting opinions, mental adaptation - all this requires the mind to be constantly challenged and kept aware.

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