Bodhi of Ankou said:

why the fuck do you think it shouldnt?

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No, in Europe, as increasingly so in America, you want to force the other to take care of the other.

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Wiccan_Seeker said:

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No, in Europe, as increasingly so in America, you want to force the other to take care of the other.

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In Europe, the vast majority wants it that way. Yes, including rich people.

Synergy, not competition.

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psi said:

You might have better luck finding someone from there to marry you.

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zappaisgod said:

Wal Mart profit margin?
http://ycharts.com/companies/WMT/profit_margin

Wanders around 4%.  What an outrage

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zappaisgod said:

Wiccan_Seeker said:

People in Europe do work, and quite hard in fact. We are however more susceptible to the perceived importance of humane conditions, both at work and in society at large.

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They work hard?  Mandatory paid vacation and a 35 hr work week is hard?  You made me pee.

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koraks said:

But still, we have that hilariously bad work ethic that you like to mock. Still, our normalized GDP per capita is slightly higher than that of the US. Care to explain how come we seem to be doing better while we are, as you suggest, working less hard?

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Wiccan_Seeker said:

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No, in Europe, as increasingly so in America, you want to force the other to take care of the other.

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In Europe, the vast majority wants it that way. Yes, including rich people.

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zappaisgod said:

Wiccan_Seeker said:

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No, in Europe, as increasingly so in America, you want to force the other to take care of the other.

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In Europe, the vast majority wants it that way. Yes, including rich people.

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Obviously not since most Greeks cheat on their taxes

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Newbie said:

Your TLDR is longer than your original statement.

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It's vastly shorter than the article I summarized though

zappaisgod said:

Obviously not since most Greeks cheat on their taxes

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Synergy, not competition.

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Bullshit, not fact

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Oh come on. Of course a society is synergistic. It's been that way since the wide-spread introduction of division of labor some 12,000 years ago. Then if someone says it could be more synergistic, it's bullshit all of a sudden

Bodhi of Ankou said:

Sweet, With a couple dollar raise it'd only cut into 1% of their overall profit. What an outrage eh?

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koraks said:

zappaisgod said:

Wal Mart profit margin?
http://ycharts.com/companies/WMT/profit_margin

Wanders around 4%.  What an outrage

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Quite high if you take into account that supermarket margins are in the 1-2.5% range.
But I'm not claiming that it should be paid for only by putting more pressure on company margins. Pressures there should be in place, sure, but it's clear to me that in the end, it's the customer who will have to foot the bill for the product they purchase. And perhaps that means we can't afford both the remotely operated vibrator and the 15" black rubber cock and we'll have to choose between either. I understand that in the US, saying something like that could almost land you in prison, or at least will have you labeled as a communist. Still, in the end, even the most materialistic American will have to admit that what goes around, comes around. And it's not entirely clear how much there's to go around for everyone.

zappaisgod said:

Wiccan_Seeker said:

People in Europe do work, and quite hard in fact. We are however more susceptible to the perceived importance of humane conditions, both at work and in society at large.

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They work hard?  Mandatory paid vacation and a 35 hr work week is hard?  You made me pee.

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Yeah, I always like that one. I live in one of those countries. Well, a work week is 38-40 hours and there's nothing mandatory about vacations (I never seem to be able to consume my vacation days, as is the case for most people I know). But still, we have that hilariously bad work ethic that you like to mock. Still, our normalized GDP per capita is slightly higher than that of the US. Care to explain how come we seem to be doing better while we are, as you suggest, working less hard?

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no you are wrong and zappaisgod is right... exxon mobiles profit margins are so low compared to their operating cost... their profits only exceed like 250 billion dollars, who could question how poor they are, they just give and give

http://www.forbes.com/global2000/list/#p_1_s_a0_All%20industries_All%20countries_All%20states_

Zappa is such a technical loop hole beaurocrat, when you really look into what he says, his arguments are held up by technical loop holes and quotes out of context.

koraks said:

zappaisgod said:

Wal Mart profit margin?
http://ycharts.com/companies/WMT/profit_margin

Wanders around 4%.  What an outrage

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Quite high if you take into account that supermarket margins are in the 1-2.5% range.

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zappaisgod said:

Wiccan_Seeker said:

People in Europe do work, and quite hard in fact. We are however more susceptible to the perceived importance of humane conditions, both at work and in society at large.

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They work hard?  Mandatory paid vacation and a 35 hr work week is hard?  You made me pee.

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Yeah, I always like that one. I live in one of those countries. Well, a work week is 38-40 hours and there's nothing mandatory about vacations (I never seem to be able to consume my vacation days, as is the case for most people I know). But still, we have that hilariously bad work ethic that you like to mock. Still, our normalized GDP per capita is slightly higher than that of the US. Care to explain how come we seem to be doing better while we are, as you suggest, working less hard?

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qman said:

Bodhi of Ankou said:

Sweet, With a couple dollar raise it'd only cut into 1% of their overall profit. What an outrage eh?

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Explain that to the shareholders, who would place a lower value to share price. Wal-Mart executives have a responsibility to maximize profitability, and that includes paying the lowest wages possible to keep a competent workforce.

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Bodhi of Ankou said:

qman said:

Bodhi of Ankou said:

Sweet, With a couple dollar raise it'd only cut into 1% of their overall profit. What an outrage eh?

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Explain that to the shareholders, who would place a lower value to share price. Wal-Mart executives have a responsibility to maximize profitability, and that includes paying the lowest wages possible to keep a competent workforce.

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Fuck em, they're part of the problem. They contribute nothing and expect everything, fuckin leeches.

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