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 Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US  [Re: koraks]
#17319897 - 12/02/12 10:46 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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koraks said:
Pris, you either have no clue whatsoever how the human mind works or you just took a stance and you'd rather die than give it up. Since I've been around here for a while, I'd say 80% the latter and 20% the former.
If you tell someone several times a day "you suck, do better!" while they are literally busting their ass, you're not exactly creating an environment that nurtures mental sanity. It's not 'fuckbag liberalism bullshit'. Brains are real. Perhaps you don't have them, but others do, and this is the way they work.
fuck mental sanity. if you work there and cant handle it then leave unless they are breaking labor laws its not like you are being forced to go to work there, and its not like they arent getting paid anything
the workers can wear back braces if they want to help themselves out if the shit is heavy. but no one has a gun to their head saying you have to work here and lift things with terrible form so you fuck up your back
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: koraks]
#17319911 - 12/02/12 10:48 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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koraks said:
OK, so nobody actually takes the time to read the article.
I did read the article, 4 pages of it and it was whining bullshit
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Firstly, this isn't about manufacturing work. Not that it matters too much, but it does show that none of you actually clicked the link, or read my opening post. Even the devil's advocate needs to actually read the files 
it was pick and pack in which you're lifiing under 20lbs in a heated
warehouse, way fucking easier than manufacturing work
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1. The targets that are set for the workers are not realistically achievable for most of them. While I understand this can help boost productivity, it also demotivates the workers if they are structurally incapable of meeting their targets.
It's like running after that carrot that you'll never get. Except there's no carrot to begin with. Just running. Workers receive negative feedback constantly and are structurally being pushed beyond their physical and emotional limits. This takes us to problem 2:
except there was the guy that consistently met his goals and often exceeded
them to a level as high as 120%... did you read the article? it's not like a
person lost their job if they didnt meet the goals, you just needed to
promise you'd do better
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2. The physical work environment and requirements result in long-term health problems (carpel tunnel being the most benign of them) as well as numerous incidents (electric shocks being a relatively innocent example; lost fingers being more serious).
safety issues need to be reported, carpel tunnel is a hazard of many jobs
INCLUDING BEING A JOURNALIST. every job has it's hazards but because of how
machines operate all of them cannot be eliminated which is why common sense
comes into play and for those lacking common sense they have labels, stickers
and training videos that warn you of the dangers. signs warning you to keep
hair tied back and to avoid wearing loose clothing, to keep your fingers out
of machines, etc...
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If you combine the two above with the general work environment, then you see a situation that does not live up to those beautiful ethics that we all believe that we put into practice in our perfect society.
all I caught was her bitching about having to do physical labor. I mean
seriously, did you miss the part where she complained about having to bend
over to pick things up at ground level. of course commom safety practices
tell you to lift with your legs which means 'dont bend over, squat instead'
and second, I've squatted/bent more than 1000 times in a 7 hour period, a
hundred times in a day isnt that bad unless you're a whiny liberal fuckbag
that feels that having to show up for work is wage slavery
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: koraks]
#17319919 - 12/02/12 10:49 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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koraks said:
Pris, you either have no clue whatsoever how the human mind works or you just took a stance and you'd rather die than give it up. Since I've been around here for a while, I'd say 80% the latter and 20% the former.
If you tell someone several times a day "you suck, do better!" while they are literally busting their ass, you're not exactly creating an environment that nurtures mental sanity. It's not 'fuckbag liberalism bullshit'. Brains are real. Perhaps you don't have them, but others do, and this is the way they work.
Although I agree with you I must say that if it is so bad then quit and find another job.
Employers a lot of the time can treat their employees like shit because they know they can.
People need to work, and for the people who quit there will always be another to fill their
shoes. If people would collectively say fuck you to shit employers then maybe standards would
be a bit higher.
Its like I never understood why they can get away with charging 7 bucks for a beer at a baseball game.
But its simply because they know people will still buy the beer almost no matter what. If no
one was buying prices would not be so high for such a garbage beer.
If the workers dont like it they can quit and find something a little better.
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: koraks]
#17319920 - 12/02/12 10:49 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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koraks said:
Pris, you either have no clue whatsoever how the human mind works or you just took a stance and you'd rather die than give it up. Since I've been around here for a while, I'd say 80% the latter and 20% the former.
If you tell someone several times a day "you suck, do better!" while they are literally busting their ass, you're not exactly creating an environment that nurtures mental sanity. It's not 'fuckbag liberalism bullshit'. Brains are real. Perhaps you don't have them, but others do, and this is the way they work.
one fella exceeds his quota, others fall well below
sounds like they did badly because they were busy whining and not working.
been there, done that.. that's how the human mind works, dont like the job,
bitch and complain about it until you either quit of get fired and the whole
time you're bitching you're making mistakes and piddling around, that's why
the one guy the author mentioned managed to exceed his quota, he wasnt a
whiner douchbag
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: Adolin]
#17319923 - 12/02/12 10:50 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gresh said:
getting fired if your late the first week isnt that bad but if you continue reading it gets a lot worse
I agree. If you look at all the conditions by themselves, you do as most posters in this thread: shrug and say "well, that's a sane policy, isn't it?" But if you look at how the policies are enforced, how they interact and if you try to imagine what they mean for the average worker at this particular facility, then you can't seriously state that this is a sane way of conducting business.
I'm not against hard work. I'm not against long working hours; I work 10+ hour days regularly myself. I'm not against rules that are designed to boost productivity provided they are ethically and humanely sane.
What I do have a problem with is that we have created supply chains in which retailers compete by offering their customers symbolic advantages that we have often not even asked for, which are paid for by exploiting large groups of people. The decision makers in this system are often unaware of the conditions under which their colleagues or the employees of their business partners work. I think that's wrong.
Decision makers need to be well-informed on the decisions they make and they need a sane ethical framework within which to operate. Both are lacking in this case. And it can be fixed.
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: Prisoner#1]
#17319979 - 12/02/12 11:02 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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safety issues need to be reported
You read the article, so you know it happens and nothing's being done about them. You also are aware of the fact that OHSA stated that the company isn't violating any laws simply because there are only 'best practices', and they are not legally binding.
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but because of how
machines operate all of them cannot be eliminated
If what you said was true, we were still pulling a crudely made plow along by hand. Ever heard of something like innovation? Has it occurred to you that there has been a dramatic improvement in technology over the past, oh let's say, 2 millennia?
In fact, I believe the work that these people do should be done altogether by machines, which is technically entirely feasible. It's how every major airport works. I'd much rather see these workers contribute to an innovative industry that creates equipment that makes our lives more pleasant than packing dildos all day.
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which is why common sense
comes into play and for those lacking common sense they have labels, stickers
and training videos that warn you of the dangers.
Oh please. As if that little sticker on every laptop computer has magically eradicated carpel tunnel.
The world is not a static place. Nothing ever improves if you accept the way it is flawed. The only ones who win in that scenario are the ones who happen to be on top. Do you feel you're on top of the current system Pris? Is it in your interest to keep things as they are?
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: koraks]
#17319986 - 12/02/12 11:04 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: koraks]
#17320012 - 12/02/12 11:09 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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koraks said:
Pris, you either have no clue whatsoever how the human mind works or you just took a stance and you'd rather die than give it up. Since I've been around here for a while, I'd say 80% the latter and 20% the former.
If you tell someone several times a day "you suck, do better!" while they are literally busting their ass, you're not exactly creating an environment that nurtures mental sanity. It's not 'fuckbag liberalism bullshit'. Brains are real. Perhaps you don't have them, but others do, and this is the way they work.
i've been employed for different companies since i was 12 years old.
im 21, and for the first time am unemployed.
12 years old i was a soccer referee. and had grown middle aged men scream and spit in my face.
every job since has been "you suck, do better!"
i just thought thats how it was
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: Salomon] 2
#17320019 - 12/02/12 11:10 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Salomon said:
dildos made by slaves?
well let's stop buying dildos.
so that their profits go down and they all lose their jobs.
that'll solve this crisis
Don't forget, the dildos themselves are stealing jobs from hard working penises.
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: koraks]
#17320033 - 12/02/12 11:13 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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koraks said:
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but because of how
machines operate all of them cannot be eliminated
If what you said was true, we were still pulling a crudely made plow along by hand. Ever heard of something like innovation? Has it occurred to you that there has been a dramatic improvement in technology over the past, oh let's say, 2 millennia?
we have not yet mastered telekenesis, of course if you choose to explain to
us how conveyors can be made safer and still operate then by all means, do so
but in the mean time, keeps your fingers out of the moving parts and tie your
hair back, your own safety is your own responsibility when it goes beyond
what's required of the employers, ie... guards in place, warning signs,
safety equipment, etc...
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In fact, I believe the work that these people do should be done altogether by machines, which is technically entirely feasible.
that's a wonderful idea and then the company can make fucktons more money
while eliminating jobs and we can all go on welfare and once we've done that
we can raise taxes to pay for welfare and then run those companies out of
business and even out of the company where cheap labor costs less than robots
maybe it could be like surrogates
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: psi]
#17320037 - 12/02/12 11:14 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, unskilled labor sucks.
Okay...
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: koraks] 1
#17320057 - 12/02/12 11:19 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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koraks said:
Oh please. As if that little sticker on every laptop computer has magically eradicated carpel tunnel.
it does if you heed the warnings... I dont have carpel tunnel after years of
working with my hands and typing, 160k posts worth of typing.
a welder doesnt show up to work like this because it's unsafe
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: Prisoner#1]
#17320062 - 12/02/12 11:20 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh, to summarize your video: the use of robots is seen by some as a threat to labor conditions as the robots compete with human labor.
While in an economic sense this is true, it is exactly the reason why legislation exists to protect the interests of human laborers. This legislation is of course fundamentally flawed or entirely absent in China, which I hope is not the case in the USA. Although I'm starting to doubt about the soundness of the US' legal framework and its enforcement when it comes to labor conditions.
Having said that, one of the big issues underlying this is the question what we need to optimize for in our society. Currently, we seem to be optimizing for labor: as long as everyone has a job, all is well, simply put. Is that the correct parameter? Does that still work if (just putting a wild scenario out there) we are confronted with the need for an economic system that is NOT based on growth? Shouldn't we be optimizing for well-being instead of for an imperfect proxy therefore?
Yes, I know Keynes said something along these lines as well. The fact that his prediction hasn't materialized doesn't mean he was talking crap though. He had a point.
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k00laid said:
every job since has been "you suck, do better!"
i just thought thats how it was
Well, maybe I was wrong in thinking people generally strive for an improvement of their situation. Maybe most people know what's wrong and are totally fine with it
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we have not yet mastered telekenesis, of course if you choose to explain to
us how conveyors can be made safer and still operate then by all means
Ah, so the essential element of society is the conveyor belt. I guess we all need to install one inside our homes then, because that will surely make everything better!
Or think of technical concepts that work differently or that use conveyor belts in a smarter manner. Like the baggage handling systems at modern airports, for example. Or automated mail/package sorting systems. Yes, I know what's in the market in that arena. Manual labor in this area is completely unnecessary and only opted for because managers with a lack of creativity and vision are scared by the initial investments in those systems.
As for the rest of your reply: read the above. I have no illusion that you'll ever think outside the box that you apparently grew up in. Perhaps others could, though.
Look Pris, it's obvious you're not going to change the world. Be happy in your acceptance of how fucked up some things are. Just stay out of the way while the rest of us try to advance out of the stone age, ok? Don't get your fingers stuck in the machine now.
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: koraks]
#17320082 - 12/02/12 11:23 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Requirements for a laborer job on a framing carpentry crew in NY State
Work outdoors in weather ranging from 20o to 95o sometimes with rain and/or snow
Routinely lift objects weighing up to 100lbs sometimes from the ground and sometimes carry them up ladders
Use sharp tools
Use sharp electric tools
Use sharp gasoline powered tools
Bend over
Get yelled at
And fucking show up on time.
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: zappaisgod]
#17320108 - 12/02/12 11:28 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, because doing unpleasant, dangerous stuff under abysmal conditions makes you feel like a real man huh?
Please excuse me while I'm going to cook my socialist dinner now 
But zappaisgod, let me ask you this: have you ever finished a job on Friday night and slapped your colleagues/workers/subordinates on the back and said "that's a job well done, come on, I'll buy you a beer"?
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: koraks]
#17320113 - 12/02/12 11:28 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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*passes the salt*
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: koraks]
#17320134 - 12/02/12 11:33 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, because doing unpleasant, dangerous stuff under abysmal conditions makes you feel like a real man huh?
It is what is required to do the job. Millions do it without complaint. Do you live in a dwelling? Somebody had to go though that horror for you to have it. Please move out.Quote:
Please excuse me while I'm going to cook my socialist dinner now
I'm sure it will be served with a nice Red whine.Quote:
But zappaisgod, let me ask you this: have you ever finished a job on Friday night and slapped your colleagues/workers/subordinates on the back and said "that's a job well done, come on, I'll buy you a beer"?
Lots of times.
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: zappaisgod]
#17320147 - 12/02/12 11:35 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
Lots of times.
There you go.
Like I said before: I don't have a problem with hard work. I even accept that some lines of work involve certain risks. I do have a problem with employers who drive their employees to the point of exhaustion and bodily harm while never acknowledging the fact that they are human beings.
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: koraks]
#17320158 - 12/02/12 11:37 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I said it before and I'll say it again Koraks, isn't the Atlantic ocean an awesome thing? And every year it gets an inch wider 
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Re: Your online-bought dildo depends on slave labor in the US [Re: koraks]
#17320160 - 12/02/12 11:38 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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we have not yet mastered telekenesis, of course if you choose to explain to
us how conveyors can be made safer and still operate then by all means
Ah, so the essential element of society is the conveyor belt. I guess we all need to install one inside our homes then, because that will surely make everything better!
Or think of technical concepts that work differently or that use conveyor belts in a smarter manner. Like the baggage handling systems at modern airports, for example. Or automated mail/package sorting systems. Yes, I know what's in the market in that arena. Manual labor in this area is completely unnecessary and only opted for because managers with a lack of creativity and vision are scared by the initial investments in those systems.
lol... who loads and unloads the conveyors? just because you dont see people
it doesnt mean that there arent people there still handling the luggage and
working with those conveyors.
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Look Pris, it's obvious you're not going to change the world. Be happy in your acceptance of how fucked up some things are. Just stay out of the way while the rest of us try to advance out of the stone age, ok? Don't get your fingers stuck in the machine now.
ok, so whole Mac McClellan was on that job, how many fingers were lost, how
many square inches of scalp were removed, just because a reporter is telling
us how dangerous something is doesnt mean we have to take it at face value
especially after the picture we're provided, it's a gravity fed roller
system, the electrical shock is from static, not an active current running
through the racks... jesus, did you read the fucking article?
how do you lose a finger to this? and once more, tell us how the system is to
be improved, by eliminating the humans? who pays the rent for the humans
after that? is the EU going to pay their rent?
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