JoieDeVivre said:

BlindSophist said:

The actions of the elites are not my actions. My civic leaders are complicit in mass murder, theft, genocide. I support none of these things and it would be dubious to claim that I somehow benefit from any of it. Why the hell should I take responsibility for these scum? I'd prefer to cast them out and wash my hands of their affairs.

To spread some degree of fear is responsible when there is a real threat to be feared, and necessary to break complacency.

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You misread what I was saying. My point is that the actions of the elite are human actions, not otherworldy or reptilian actions. I'm not saying you should take responsibility for it, I'm saying that just calling them reptilians completely removes their personal responsibility.

To spread fear about a reptilian hybrid race when there are real problems in the world is just another way of blinding people to what is actually going on and keeping them concerned with aliens and complacent with real problems.

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ghooru said:

I call it 'spiritual' just because it is totally on that religious level of things, that level of profundity.  Who is at the top of the pyramid???

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JoieDeVivre said:

BlindSophist said:

The actions of the elites are not my actions. My civic leaders are complicit in mass murder, theft, genocide. I support none of these things and it would be dubious to claim that I somehow benefit from any of it. Why the hell should I take responsibility for these scum? I'd prefer to cast them out and wash my hands of their affairs.

To spread some degree of fear is responsible when there is a real threat to be feared, and necessary to break complacency.

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You misread what I was saying. My point is that the actions of the elite are human actions, not otherworldy or reptilian actions. I'm not saying you should take responsibility for it, I'm saying that just calling them reptilians completely removes their personal responsibility.

To spread fear about a reptilian hybrid race when there are real problems in the world is just another way of blinding people to what is actually going on and keeping them concerned with aliens and complacent with real problems.

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okay, here is an important part of my position.  When I look at every human, I see otherwordly beings in some way, i.e. I see them as spirits.  To me, my belief in reincarnation essentially explains how humans very often come from 'off planet.' 

You know after death we might hang around here, or some of us might go away for a long time.  Some could have spent their last life on a different planet, some on this one.  And basically, there is a huge continuum of mastery of this life and death cycle.  Some spiritual masters can actually leave their body by choice, but most people die without sufficient experience and are thus 'mere mortals.' And everyone in between

So yeah, the beings we are talking about might be 'human,' but they could very much be 'ET' too.  And the idea of a hybrid isn't so crazy at that point.

I realize these ideas seem like they are just all coming from the imagination, but the longer you ruminate on them the more you see, that is no reason to discard them.

BlindSophist said:

I said earlier-- it's semi-poetic, it's pop mythology. It's a creative way of describing the situation in which we find ourselves, where a handful of deeply sick people lead millions to the slaughter. Calling them reptilian isn't meant to take away their responsibility, it's meant to emphasize the inexorability of their bad behavior. They are not in control of their actions in any way that we can understand. Rape and slaughter are their food and water, and they must be stopped, regardless to any question of moral culpability.

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ghooru said:

okay, here is an important part of my position.  When I look at every human, I see otherwordly beings in some way, i.e. I see them as spirits.  To me, my belief in reincarnation essentially explains how humans very often come from 'off planet.' 

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You know after death we might hang around here, or some of us might go away for a long time.  Some could have spent their last life on a different planet, some on this one.  And basically, there is a huge continuum of mastery of this life and death cycle.  Some spiritual masters can actually leave their body by choice, but most people die without sufficient experience and are thus 'mere mortals.' And everyone in between

So yeah, the beings we are talking about might be 'human,' but they could very much be 'ET' too.  And the idea of a hybrid isn't so crazy at that point.

I realize these ideas seem like they are just all coming from the imagination, but the longer you ruminate on them the more you see, that is no reason to discard them.

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You just came up with this of your own accord. There's nothing inherent to the world or any solid evidence to prove this. Correct me if I'm wrong of course.

This is all coming from the imagination if you're relying on your own thoughts to come up with them. The only way we can have any knowledge is through testable means. If there's no hard evidence, it's probably not true. Your own ideas that you're coming up with are based upon your own limited perspective and life experiences.

ghooru said:

Its that same old argument...you want evidence, and all I have is my own experience.  Life isn't all about scientific proof you know, some things go beyond that. 

I didn't just come up with it, but hey I do realize I can't prove it beyond this, all I can say is keep reading about it and watching videos if you have a real interest.

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JoieDeVivre said:

BlindSophist said:

I said earlier-- it's semi-poetic, it's pop mythology. It's a creative way of describing the situation in which we find ourselves, where a handful of deeply sick people lead millions to the slaughter. Calling them reptilian isn't meant to take away their responsibility, it's meant to emphasize the inexorability of their bad behavior. They are not in control of their actions in any way that we can understand. Rape and slaughter are their food and water, and they must be stopped, regardless to any question of moral culpability.

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A handful of deeply sick people leading millions to slaughter? Our world governments are not that corrupt or evil and there's nothing to suggest that they are. There are plenty of well intentioned people in power and most elites are probably well intentioned or misguided. The idea that you're perpetuating here is choosing an extreme rather than acknowledging the complexity of the motivations of the elites.

You believe they are not in control of their actions? Are they just more animalistic than you and I who are in control of and responsible for our own actions? There's simply nothing that I have ever seen to suggest this is true. They're just acting selfishly and greedily, which are natural traits that we can all move past for the betterment of society if we acknowledge and work through them rather than brushing them off as uncontrollable.

Who is raping and slaughtering in modern day political system which the reptilian theory is applied to?

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Everlong said:

I think you are painting this portrait that Icke is all metaphorical about his conspiracies when in reality he really legitimately believes there are reptile people.

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Jordooee said:

Including the lizards.

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Let them eat bugs!

Jordooee said:

MY BUGS

They can have the turds.. Nobody wants the turds.

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And we have consensus.

JoieDeVivre said:

Who is raping and slaughtering in modern day political system which the reptilian theory is applied to?

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BlindSophist said:

As I said earlier-- it's semi-poetic, it's pop mythology. It's a creative way of describing the situation...

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questioneverything said:

And someone mentioned they were unsure icke was under the influence when he was given his instructions about his role to spread the word about all his theories. He had drank ayahuasca.

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Maybe I'll grow up someday and realize that these are just all crackpot theories, but for right now I see too many common themes shared around the world by different cultures about serpents being divinely inspired to rule, the serpent and dragon mythology in the bible, the return of the serpent or dragon heralded by the mayans that seems to correlate with the bible, blah blah blah, gucumatz, quetzelcoatl, the original serpent, cecrops 1, kolowisi, palulukong.... At this point in my life, I have to investigate it before I can convince myself that it's just nonsense.

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