OrgoneConclusion said:

First off learn the difference between a theory and a hypothesis.

Now before a hypothesis can be formed as to how something works, we first need to verify THAT it works. Coming up with a hypothesis for how levitation works when it doesn't is useless.

To confirm your dreams have precognitive power, the important ones should be publicly date-stamped and logged in first to prevent confirmation bias and ad hoc reasoning and the slight changing of the story to better fit the facts.

Here is an all-too-familiar scenario. A woman wakes up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat and in fear. She does not know why. Later she dicovers her father died several hundred miles away at about that time and ONLY THEN does she determine it was somehow precognitive.

Another example. Hundreds of millions of people drive daily and many millions of those people have dreams involving accidents. When no accident occurs, nothing is reported. But when the inevitable accident occurs to one of those millions - voila! - instant precognition.

Also premonitions rarely have a timeline. Do you know how many people predict earthquakes? Here I will do one now.

"A major earthquake will hit California!" When one hits 12 years from now I will be vindicated.

Now you may go one about the specificity of your dream. Were any actual worms involved? No. Was there a bicycle in your dream? No.
Do you see an accident? No. Doesn't appear to specific to an impartial observer.

What is special about two days later? What if it was a month later, a year later, 28 years later?

Throw a big enough net and you will catch some fish.

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OrgoneConclusion said:

First off learn the difference between a theory and a hypothesis.

Now before a hypothesis can be formed as to how something works, we first need to verify THAT it works. Coming up with a hypothesis for how levitation works when it doesn't is useless.

To confirm your dreams have precognitive power, the important ones should be publicly date-stamped and logged in first to prevent confirmation bias and ad hoc reasoning and the slight changing of the story to better fit the facts.

Here is an all-too-familiar scenario. A woman wakes up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat and in fear. She does not know why. Later she dicovers her father died several hundred miles away at about that time and ONLY THEN does she determine it was somehow precognitive.

Another example. Hundreds of millions of people drive daily and many millions of those people have dreams involving accidents. When no accident occurs, nothing is reported. But when the inevitable accident occurs to one of those millions - voila! - instant precognition.

Also premonitions rarely have a timeline. Do you know how many people predict earthquakes? Here I will do one now.

"A major earthquake will hit California!" When one hits 12 years from now I will be vindicated.

Now you may go one about the specificity of your dream. Were any actual worms involved? No. Was there a bicycle in your dream? No.
Do you see an accident? No. Doesn't appear to specific to an impartial observer.

What is special about two days later? What if it was a month later, a year later, 28 years later?

Throw a big enough net and you will catch some fish.

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OrgoneConclusion said:

First off learn the difference between a theory and a hypothesis.

Now before a hypothesis can be formed as to how something works, we first need to verify THAT it works. Coming up with a hypothesis for how levitation works when it doesn't is useless.

To confirm your dreams have precognitive power, the important ones should be publicly date-stamped and logged in first to prevent confirmation bias and ad hoc reasoning and the slight changing of the story to better fit the facts.

Here is an all-too-familiar scenario. A woman wakes up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat and in fear. She does not know why. Later she dicovers her father died several hundred miles away at about that time and ONLY THEN does she determine it was somehow precognitive.

Another example. Hundreds of millions of people drive daily and many millions of those people have dreams involving accidents. When no accident occurs, nothing is reported. But when the inevitable accident occurs to one of those millions - voila! - instant precognition.

Also premonitions rarely have a timeline. Do you know how many people predict earthquakes? Here I will do one now.

"A major earthquake will hit California!" When one hits 12 years from now I will be vindicated.

Now you may go one about the specificity of your dream. Were any actual worms involved? No. Was there a bicycle in your dream? No.
Do you see an accident? No. Doesn't appear to specific to an impartial observer.

What is special about two days later? What if it was a month later, a year later, 28 years later?

Throw a big enough net and you will catch some fish.

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Thanks, but I've pretty much already thought about everything you have said at some point.

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Also I suppose I have heard of the scientific process.  I also understand the scientific state of mind.  Clearly the world works exactly the way we think it does right now.  Except that time and time again there have been radical changes in the scientific paradigm.  Usually these are forcefully resisted by people that already understand how the world works.

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  I'm really just looking to explore some different possibilities.

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I can clearly see that your mind is made up.

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It is a nice feeling to be certain about things.

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It's just that these things happen just enough to leave me, a generally pretty skeptical person, at least open to some alternate explanations.

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OrgoneConclusion said:

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Thanks, but I've pretty much already thought about everything you have said at some point.

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And yet you still call a hypothesis a theory and want to form a theory without any facts. So you did not think about much of anything I posted. So we now we can add lying.

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Also I suppose I have heard of the scientific process.  I also understand the scientific state of mind.  Clearly the world works exactly the way we think it does right now.  Except that time and time again there have been radical changes in the scientific paradigm.  Usually these are forcefully resisted by people that already understand how the world works.

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This shit is so old and is only spouted by ignorant New Agers who generally are very ignorant of science.

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  I'm really just looking to explore some different possibilities.

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Obviously not as evidenced by your failure to respond to my questions or consider you might be mistaken. You appear ot have no desire except for reinforcement. That is not discourse.

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I can clearly see that your mind is made up.

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WTF does you erroneous evaluation of another member have to do with dream precognition? Not a thing! Obviously, you have failed to read the forum rules before coming into our living room with muddy shoes on.

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It is a nice feeling to be certain about things.

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I am guessing this is supposed to be some clever sarcasm, but as you were already wrong about me, we know for 100% certain that you jump to false conclusions based upon emotion. That is one serious strike about your ability to discern truth.

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It's just that these things happen just enough to leave me, a generally pretty skeptical person, at least open to some alternate explanations.

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There seems to be no openness whatsoever concerning your dreams.

I was polite and clear and took MY time to carefully respond to you, but because it was not what you wanted, you feel it OK to lash out. Please head over to M&P where they will confirm your superpowers. You will fit right in as no thinking is required.

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AllGreyThumbs said:

I have a dream in which there are white worms in a hole in my hand.  I pull worms out with a pair of tweezers.  There are also black worm eggs that I have to get out before my hand can heal.  In the dream this is very important.

Two days later, in real life, I wreck a bicycle on the road.  It tears a hole in a meaty part of my palm.  When I try to clean it out I find that there are little tendrils of loose fatty tissue in my wound.  I pull the tendrils with tweezers and manage to snip them off with small scissors.  There are still little black pieces of road grit that I can't quite dig out so I bandage my hand as is.

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Awesome. I think that it's useless though to consider it a prediction of the future. The dream didn't predict anything, and I'm sure that you didn't think to yourself afterwards that something similar was about to happen. It did however bear striking similarity to an actual event that later occurred. The acute specificness of the similarity is very impressive. I can't think of any way to confirm that it was more than an amazing coincidence, but I also reckon that this doesn't in itself mean that it being a coincidence is more likely than it being the result of an unknown aspect of reality.

redgreenvines said:

stuff you think of makes only one kind of sense - associative.
there is an ocean of associative events happening in the mind, and what we put our awareness to is just a small part of it.

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redgreenvines said:

the poetry of perceived pre-cognition is ephemeral - and, come on, all this nonsense of proof spoils the whole ephemeral character of it.

stuff you think of makes only one kind of sense - associative.
there is an ocean of associative events happening in the mind, and what we put our awareness to is just a small part of it.

the practice of awareness is what you want to explore more than the practice of finding real precognition, and more than you want to spend reducing the ephemeral to practical.

I am inclined to accept the ephemeral at face value, these phenomena are associative events in the ocean of mind. proving that they are substantial and proving that they are nothing are both junk options in my opinion.

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Icelander said:

the poetry of perceived pre-cognition is ephemeral - and, come on, all this nonsense of proof spoils the whole ephemeral character of it.

Right, I agree and this is the very reason this post doesn't belong in this forum.

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Icelander said:

You just posted in the wrong forum.  You'd likely get total agreement and happy daze in the Mysticism forum.

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Icelander said:

the poetry of perceived pre-cognition is ephemeral - and, come on, all this nonsense of proof spoils the whole ephemeral character of it.

Right, I agree and this is the very reason this post doesn't belong in this forum.

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I'd say you're wrong about it not "belonging" in this forum. This forum is centered around the notion that ideas are subjected to criticism. It doesn't say that only things with proof are to be discussed. Things that can't be proven either way can still be discussed in a critical fashion. You've been here for a very long time - how'd you miss that?

Icelander said:

I was responding to RGVs pov on how asking for proof is nonsense.  If that's how he or others feel then the thread doesn't belong here.

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