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Shins
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Lack of mod enforcement of "absolutely no racism"

#16894141 - 09/22/12 08:13 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I have seen a lot of anti-muslim racism that goes completely unhindered on the shroomery.

can somebody do their job as a mod and start enforcing the rules?

some of the things people say are very offensive and inflaming to some of our members.

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Re: Lack of mod enforcement of "absolutely no racism"

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#16894151 - 09/22/12 08:16 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

all religions are bashed here equally.. :retawed:

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Re: Lack of mod enforcement of "absolutely no racism"

[Re: Shins]
#16894199 - 09/22/12 08:28 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Crackuh please. :justinwilson:

:justinwilson:

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Gilgamesh18
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Re: Lack of mod enforcement of "absolutely no racism"

[Re: Shins]
#16894639 - 09/22/12 10:04 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Shins said:

I have seen a lot of anti-muslim racism that goes completely unhindered on the shroomery.

can somebody do their job as a mod and start enforcing the rules?

some of the things people say are very offensive and inflaming to some of our members.

I have seen alot of anti-christian racism on the shroomery.

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Grogan
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Re: Lack of mod enforcement of

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#16895248 - 09/23/12 12:56 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

this place needs to be unhindered when it comes to free speech sir.. if it hurts your little eyes please cover them or look elsewhere.. or if your just trolling to start drama from drama report it to the mods..

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MorphinTime
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Re: Lack of mod enforcement of

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#16895292 - 09/23/12 01:18 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

:stanhopefacepalm:

"Muslim" is not a race.

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johnm214

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Re: Lack of mod enforcement of "absolutely no racism"

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#16895327 - 09/23/12 01:37 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Shins said:

I have seen a lot of anti-muslim racism that goes completely unhindered on the shroomery.

can somebody do their job as a mod and start enforcing the rules?

some of the things people say are very offensive and inflaming to some of our members.

My personal view:

"Muslim" isn't a race, and isn't even very well correlated with a race of people- there's a huge diversity amongst the believers' backgrounds. Unlike Jews and some other largely non-proselytizing groups with a relatively narrow ethnic makeup, Muslims claim to have the final revelation from god that is universally applicable to the entire world- there is simply no racial or ethnic component to being a Muslim other than cultural things.

John Walker Lindh is as much a Muslim as any African, Arabic, or Persian out there. Its somewhat prejudiced to conflate race and religion in the first place- as if the race you have in mind is somehow different from other races and inherently prefers a particular religion.

To prevent strong criticism, dislike, of a belief system seems quite oppressive for a forum like this. Should we ban criticism of Scientology and its adherents next?

Shins said:

some of the things people say are very offensive and inflaming to some of our members.

That's why we have different forums with different rules. You have the right to choose what forums you post and read. You don't have the right to not be offended.

In fact, I find your post quite offensive. You should be thankful that's not enough to be banned here. Free speech and fairness cuts both ways.

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Enlil
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Re: Lack of mod enforcement of "absolutely no racism"

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#16895741 - 09/23/12 05:20 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

:whathesaid:

In addition, I would add that the difference between race and religion is a matter of choice. People do not choose their race, but they do choose their religion. One can and should be judged by the choices they make. If one chooses to join a religion that engages in child sacrifice, that says something about the person's character.

Further, the fact that a person believes in a particular mythology says something about that person's ability to reason and separate fantasy from reality.

Whether it is politically correct or not, a person's chosen religion does say something about that person's character and mental process. As such, it is rational to differentiate groups of people based on their religion just as it would be to do so based on their political party.

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Re: Lack of mod enforcement of

[Re: MorphinTime]
#16897212 - 09/23/12 01:01 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

MorphinTime said:

"Muslim" is not a race.

:lol:

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Re: Lack of mod enforcement of "absolutely no racism"

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#16908963 - 09/25/12 02:34 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Shins said:

I have seen a lot of anti-muslim racism that goes completely unhindered on the shroomery.

can somebody do their job as a mod and start enforcing the rules?

some of the things people say are very offensive and inflaming to some of our members.

So were just going to pretend that you're not constantly ranting and raving about "the jews". :lol:

:lol:

People should be free to voice their opinions, no matter how silly they are.

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DieCommie

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Re: Lack of mod enforcement of

[Re: MorphinTime]
#16909031 - 09/25/12 02:43 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

MorphinTime said:

"Muslim" is not a race.

That was my first thought. Hating Muslims is not racism. Prejudiced, bigotry - sure, but not racism.

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zappaisgod
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Re: Lack of mod enforcement of "absolutely no racism"

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#16909908 - 09/25/12 05:18 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Shins said:

I have seen a lot of anti-muslim racism that goes completely unhindered on the shroomery.

Muslim is not a race. It is a religion/government

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can somebody do their job as a mod and start enforcing the rules?

some of the things people say are very offensive and inflaming to some of our members.

Tough shit. If you don't like me criticizing the pedophile prophet don't read my posts.

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Re: Lack of mod enforcement of

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#16909923 - 09/25/12 05:21 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

DieCommie said:

MorphinTime said:

"Muslim" is not a race.

That was my first thought. Hating Muslims is not racism. Prejudiced, bigotry - sure, but not racism.

It isn't necessarily either prejudiced or bigoted to despise a system that enslaves at least half of its adherents. Was it bigoted to oppose South Africa's apartheid?

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DieCommie

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Re: Lack of mod enforcement of

[Re: zappaisgod]
#16910048 - 09/25/12 05:41 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Was it bigoted to oppose South Africa's apartheid?

Maybe not. A bigot has no tolerance for a different point of view or characteristic. I suppose it depends on whether the word applies when the intolerance is applied selectively, as in our intolerance of apartheid, or whether the intolerance is applied uniformly, as in hating all who are not me.

But I see your point. Bigotry is usually taken to be the later, hating all who are not me. Its more akin to xenophobia than racism. A general dislike rather than a specific one. In this case I would agree with you; No, hating on Islam and apartheid is not bigotry.

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Re: Lack of mod enforcement of

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#16910135 - 09/25/12 05:56 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

What if I am completely familiar with the subject, have researched it thoroughly and after all that find it to be a heinous, vile, destructive tract that should be rejected by all persons? Is it bigotry to oppose it?

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Re: Lack of mod enforcement of

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#16910281 - 09/25/12 06:16 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I have a feeling this is about to turn into a circle jerk. Funnily enough I'm betting this circle jerk'll be more interesting than The Pub on any given day.

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Trypppy
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Re: Lack of mod enforcement of

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#16910322 - 09/25/12 06:24 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

zappaisgod said:

What if I am completely familiar with the subject, have researched it thoroughly and after all that find it to be a heinous, vile, destructive tract that should be rejected by all persons? Is it bigotry to oppose it?

There are a great many Muslims whose faith helps them to better their own lives and the lives of people around them, so to oppose all those who practice it would be bigotry in my book. However, if you simply take issue with Islam and not necessarily all those who practice it , which perhaps is what you were getting at, I think that is within reason.

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Re: Lack of mod enforcement of

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#16910387 - 09/25/12 06:33 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Trypppy said:

However, if you simply take issue with Islam and not necessarily all those who practice it , which perhaps is what you were getting at, I think that is within reason.

zappaisgod said:

It isn't necessarily either prejudiced or bigoted to despise a system that enslaves at least half of its adherents. Was it bigoted to oppose South Africa's apartheid?

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#16910398 - 09/25/12 06:34 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Cutless said:

Trypppy said:

However, if you simply take issue with Islam and not necessarily all those who practice it , which perhaps is what you were getting at, I think that is within reason.

zappaisgod said:

It isn't necessarily either prejudiced or bigoted to despise a system that enslaves at least half of its adherents. Was it bigoted to oppose South Africa's apartheid?

Well all right then :lol:

:lol:

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DieCommie

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Re: Lack of mod enforcement of

[Re: Trypppy]
#16910596 - 09/25/12 07:09 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

zappaisgod said:

What if I am completely familiar with the subject, have researched it thoroughly and after all that find it to be a heinous, vile, destructive tract that should be rejected by all persons? Is it bigotry to oppose it?

Im not sure that thorough study alone vindicates you. Virtually all bigots defend their intolerance with claims of thorough study and facts on the ground.

Bigot certainly has a negative connotation to it though. So any socially accepted intolerance is not labeled bigotry. I suppose I choose the word as an intermediary between baseless racism and informed discrimination. Something to soften the claim that hating on Islam not racism, because I know that many take offense at such a claim (no matter how technically true it is).

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