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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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the nuthouse.
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went to visit a friend the other day, in the nuthouse.  she's been in there almost a month now.

i never realized that, though i've known a lot of crazy people, people with serious issues and weirdness and poor social skills and maladjusted lives and shit..
i've never actually known someone not living in 'reality'

it's fucking weird man.  i feel so bad for her.
had been spending 2, 3, 4 days a week with her for months, then 3 months ago shit got weird, we wound up just fighting constantly, she got mean, i got mean, then she got picked up by the cops and involuntarily committed (for the 3rd time, but first since I've been hanging out with her).
and now she's just...  coherent, but delusional.
she's such a good person.  i hope she gets better soon.  it's painful to see her like this, convinced all the doctors are just toying with her and she's actually fine and they're lying, convinced she needs to meet A Celebrity i won't name because I don't want to give any hints as to who my friend is.  a real sweet girl.

i told her i owe her a steak when she gets out, for the awful things i said to her months ago.  she laughed, i have a lot of elk and she likes it nice and rare.  here's to hoping i can make good on that before the end of summer.  here's to hoping this is the last time she decides to go off meds and winds up in there.  she's a problem keeping friends, because (as i mentioned) she got fucking *mean* for a while, and she has (always) a tendency to assume people are good while attracting people that aren't in the least (people who lie for sport, manipulative sorts who just see her as an easy mark).  i know the last time she didn't have many people keeping in contact with her, the friends she reached out to cut off contact and still refuse to speak to her. 
i'm either too fucking stubborn or too fucking stupid to do that, but maybe it'll be helpful to her to have a friend while she was sane, and crazy, and then back to sane again -- someone other than her family to let her know that yeah, staying on meds isn't about keeping you down or controlled or caged or compliant.  then again, maybe it won't matter.

regardless, i'd told her long ago that if she wound up back there, i'd visit.  she said it's lonely and awful in there and there's not much contact with the outside world, she's limited in how often and long she can use the phone and most people she knows won't call or visit, except for her parents.  so, i visit.

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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #1]
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very good of you, it is nice to know that not everyone is a self absorbed douche bag

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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #2]
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Quote:
i never realized that, though i've known a lot of crazy people, people with serious issues and weirdness and poor social skil:crazy:l    s and maladjusted lives and shit.. i've never actually known someone not living in 'reality'



reality can fuck your shit up.

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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #3]
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On bad trips I can get a feeling for what it's like to be clinically insane.  Paranoia, delusions, magnified misery all together with disjointed thinking.  I have tremendous empathy for those people, it's a pure, personalized hell.  It's good that you are supporting her.

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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #4]
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personally. ive never been to a nut house but have had friends who had, but i feel i can work out my own problems without other people like that staff telling me how to thing think cause after all, i know more then them lol

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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #5]
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Good on you OP. Integrity...

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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #5]
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Anonymous #5 said:
personally. ive never been to a nut house but have had friends who had, but i feel i can work out my own problems without other people like that staff telling me how to thing think cause after all, i know more then them lol



i've had 2 friends in there.

the first, it was bullshit, his mother made shit up to get him committed.  he was sane, he wasn't a threat to himself, he was just really fucking pissed at her for trying to tell him what to do and how to do it (he was iirc 22 at the time), and so to punish him for not listening...  it was a mess, he was out of there quickly.

this girl, though.  the people i've known, they've been crazy in that they have issues and problems.  that's one thing.
this...  there isn't any issues or problems to work out.  she'd not sleep, or sleep less than an hour, for days on end.  she was picked up taking a nap outside a grocery store.  she was putting herself in risky situations without any idea they were risky.  she was angry with and hostile to people she had previously cared about and been on good terms with (me, her mother, other friends).  now she's convinced she needs to meet This Celebrity and everything will be right (same celeb she thought was on the way to pick her up, before the last time she was committed).

It's...  messed up, man.

I mean, I knew this girl when we were teenagers, she's one of my best friend's little sisters, back in the day I used to harass her into cooking me mac & cheese when I was over there -- and that was basically the same person (just older) that she was when her and I started hanging out months ago.  but now, it's.. she's there, she's her, but she's not, yanno?  hell, week ago I'd called and was going to visit her the next day, and a few hours later her mom calls and said she'd changed her mind and didn't want any visitors.  Few days later I tried to call, and she told the nurse person to tell me to stop calling her.  Few days after that she leaves a message on my phone to come visit, which I did and she was real happy to see me.

She was carrying around a super-old radio (I assume from the hospital) like it was the most precious thing in the world (holding it with her shaky and trembling hands), and told me that the songs were playing for her, that everything had a meaning and she could see through to it...  I couldn't say anything to her.  Months ago she told me she does that, makes connections that don't exist, thinks everything has a reason, *everything*.  I do that too but.. not like this (part of the reason her and I started feuding for a while, actually.  I made some connections from things she said and thought some things that actually weren't true).


Oh well.  More ranting.  No one else wants to hear it, or maybe some do but those, those are the ones I don't want to tell it to.

Guess I'll see how she is Monday when I go back for a visit.  I've a feeling she's going to be in there for a while yet.

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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #1]
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dude dont be a captain save-a-ho...the girl is very mentally ill...sounds like even though shes looney tunes you might have a thing for her...if shes delusional about celebrities then you know shes bad...you might be wasting your time and barking up the wrong tree...just another viewpoint thats it...

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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Come on OP, tell us more, get it out of your system.

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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #7]
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well, she is cute as hell.  unreasonably attractive in fact -- always has been, even back when she was too young (she's 5 years younger than I am; 12 & 17 doesn't work, 25 & 30 not as big a deal).

but right now.. she's not, ya follow? 

it's just a friend thing, and this is beyond any ability i have to help her anyway.  while we were hangin out a lot, i did tend to point out things to her -- friends of hers that actually weren't friends, just dudes who like lying to people with a trusting nature.
it's only a waste of time if i expect anything out of it.  that's really the long and short of it.  when she's sane, she's a lot of fun to be around and a genuinely good person.  right now she's not sane, and she only really has her family and other crazy people for company -- and this has sorta been a looming unhappy thing that was *going* to happen, sooner or later, for her.  and she said she'd like it if i visited, that it'd make it just a bit less awful.

and hell, i owe it to her.  she contacted me, outta nowhere, after not having seen her for 9 years and never having actually seen her aside from her just being my friend's little sister, and got me to get out and about for my birthday, instead of sitting at home alone as my clock rolled over to 30. 
made it just a bit less awful.

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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I only read the first few sentences.
All i got to say is... You never bang a crazy bro, never.

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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #8]
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my best friend's mom is crazy. your description is very similar. she used to talk to the radio and think that there were ppl spying on her through it. it seems to get worse for these kinds of ppl opposed to better, but who knows, maybe she can recover. strangely, she once went on one of these trips where she was convinced that there was something wrong with the cable box and so she took it all apart. my aunt went crazy from withdrawals from xanax and did the exact same thing at the exact same time. it was kind of creepy.

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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #9]
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She's sounding more and more like herself, and might be getting out soon, but is kinda worried because she doesn't want to have to go to a group home.  Offered to let her stay here for a while, I think that's 3rd on her list if nothing else works out.

Probably should've thought before I blurted that out.

She might go back to her mom's or dad's, but doesn't want to.

She didn't call asking to stay here, I just offered as she was talking about getting hold of a friend of hers to see if she could stay there, she had just called to chat now that she's allowed back on the phones again.

Here's to hoping she stays on her meds this time around.

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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Be there for her.

:heart:

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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #10]
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Anonymous #10 said:
Be there for her.

:heart:



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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #11]
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I may go see her Monday, but she said she's going to check and see if her dad might be coming out.  Apparently last time he was there, he got upset at her and left and told her he'd come back to visit again when she could be more normal.

When I'd seen her, she wasn't acting normal..  but I'm not visiting to set her straight, to get things right in her head, I'm visiting because fuck that's gotta be lonely and awful in there -- and it is, from what she's told me about her previous stays, and just having someone there for a little while has gotta be worth something.  Not encouraging her crazy ideas, but not being confrontational.

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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #1]
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be there for her, only time you know who your friends are is when your in jail or in the hospital..  Everything else is levels of pure bullshit, my friend...

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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Anonymous #1 said:
I may go see her Monday, but she said she's going to check and see if her dad might be coming out.  Apparently last time he was there, he got upset at her and left and told her he'd come back to visit again when she could be more normal.



Fuckin prick cares more about what his daughter has "done to him" than about his own daughter's care, it sounds.

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I'm not visiting to set her straight, to get things right in her head



Tell her that. You sound like you care a lot about her.

Might be worth telling her that, too.

Good luck, man.

:heart:

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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Eh, you know what, I've been where you are and pretty damn close to where she is.

PM if you wanna talk.


Dystopia

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Re: the nuthouse. [Re: Anonymous #10]
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Girl is STILL up in the mental ward, hasn't been keen on company or talking much.
Posting because isn't 4 months a long time goddamn, poor girl


Actually, nevermind, she's out as of this week.  Now to see if she's up for getting in touch and how she is.  :|

Edited by Anonymous (08/11/12 01:18 AM)

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