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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: zeronio]
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You'd be amazed at some of the shit NASA throws money at.


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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Here's a few thoughts on why the capillary action machine won't work.

The empty capillary is an energy basin. That is, when you place the end of the capillary tube into water (or whatever liquid), the water will rapidly flow into and fill the capillary. But once it's full, then what? The water will not just flow out the other end, you need to provide some energy to pull it through. But once the tube is full, the energy to pull the water through the tube nets out to zero from capillary action and should equal the gravitational potential between the two ends plus friction from the tube walls plus any turbulence effects (internal friction) from the water (I may be missing other sources of energy loss, but those are the obvious ones).

Or here's another way of saying it. Let's suppose the capillary tube is a meter long. When I put the end into the water, it pulls water up almost to the upper end. But once it's done that, the process rapidly comes to an equilibrium state where water is no longer moving. If I want to get some of the water out of the tube, it will take more energy to pull a drop out of the end than the energy involved in a one meter fall for the same mass. We know that because the capillary force must be greater than gravity or the water wouldn't have gone up that high in the tube. If we keep the lower end in the water basin while we pull (or push) the drop of water out, then the capillary force pulling in a new drop at the bottom should balance the energy required to remove a drop at the top. But we still have gravity and friction at work.

The main reason it looks like it might work is that you start with an empty capillary tube. You will get a much more accurate picture of the situation if you imagine beginning with the capillary tube already full. There's an initial gain of energy when the tube first fills. But once it's full there's no place to gain energy any more. And friction will quickly wipe out your initial gain.

Hope that's a helpful explanation of why it won't work. I know it isn't the best worded and it got to rambling on, but it's late and it's not for a class or anything like that.


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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: ToxicMan]
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But where did the energy to lift the water in the first place come from?


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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: Shroomism]
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Point well proven Anno.

Shroomism, i don't think that in 10yrs. we'll even have our basic electric luxories, i think it's more about we become self-suffiicient, get wood stoves, take the bus, ride a bike or car pool. vegetable(or hemp) oil for biofuel, methane gas, solar power, windmills, vegetable gardening, organic food co-opperatives, less vacations, communities, limited usage-we could get by on a lot less, not forgetting to turn off your stereo, turn down the heat, small steps at time, i really live in a fantasy world. all of that will help but not support the population.

the only perpetual energy is livin' w/o corportate energy.


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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: schmutzen]
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The only thing that will save our world is to find alternative energy sources, now. 50 more years of this kind of pollution and we are done for. The Earth would get sick of it and wipe us out by then, no doubt. Anybody who lives in LA, DC, or New York, knows exactly what I'm talking about.


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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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The force involved in capillary action comes from chemical bonding between the fluid and the walls of the tube as well as similar bonding between the molecules of the fluid.


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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: TheHateCamel]
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energy cannot be created nor destroyed, just transformed. I think some people overlook this point. the only way to completely change matter to energy is with antimatter (George smoot "wrinkles in time"). to get all the energy from a electromagnetic wave (light) it would have to be sent through a complete vacuum, theoretically impossible. so i don't think we will ever have complete perpetual motion, although we could get infinently close. -just my 2 semi-informed cents-1C()/\/



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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: Shroomism]
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Hello friends,

Perpetual motion describes hypothetical machines that operate or produce useful work indefinitely and, more generally, hypothetical machines that produce more work or energy than they consume, whether they might operate indefinitely or not.

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Steve Dilley

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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: Shroomism] * 1
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Shroomism said:
Seeing as how this forum is now including science talk, I thought I'd bring this up.

Has there been a working free energy device developed? Nikola Tesla made the first one as far as I know, and his patents for it were denied and he was confronted by 'agents' who told him to never release it. I know this would essentially eliminate the oil industry but that's a good thing for the long term right?

So what do you see for the future? When do you think we will perfect this technology and begin using it in our everyday lives. I give it ten years, max. 



Eight months left brah!  :lol:

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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: DieCommie]
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:trololol:


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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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It's possible to use magnets to make a perpetual motor which uses a small portion of the energy generated to maintain the magnetic force of the motor.


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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: 46 and 2] * 1
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> It's possible to use magnets to make a perpetual motor which uses a small portion of the energy generated to maintain the magnetic force of the motor.

Such a device is not possible.


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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: Seuss]
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Not perpetual, but you do get a bit of energy back from a single push. No different than wind turbines really. Nothing is perpetual.


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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: 46 and 2]
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Well, you said perpetual....  You get a little energy back from the push, where is the energy that is doing the pushing come from?

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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: DieCommie]
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Oops.


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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: 46 and 2]
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No need for perpetual energy, just learn how to do small scale continuous output fusion. There is all the fuel we will ever need in the ocean in the form of deuterium.


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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: Stonehenge]
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Quote:
There is all the fuel we will ever need in the ocean in the form of deuterium.


At least, for our current lifestyle.  If/when we get that energy I have no doubt we will find ways to use as much of it as we can.  But that is pretty far off of course.

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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said:
No need for perpetual energy, just learn how to do small scale continuous output fusion. There is all the fuel we will ever need in the ocean in the form of deuterium.


On this, we agree.  :smile:


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Re: Perpetual Energy Devices [Re: Seuss]
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>On this, we agree.

Alright! and even dc is mostly in agreement. A kumbaya moment.


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