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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
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Virtual particles are nice, but the technology is expensive and crude. Heatpumps exist and we use them and they are efficent. Solar power through heatpump extraction should be the power all of us use.


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
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So, old thread, I know, but there's new news.

I'm pretty sure some big energy corporation is to blame, but Steorn, three years after their imminent public demonstration that will change the world with free zero-point energy abruptly closed their public forum without warning or explanation.

I guess they milked the people who believe in magic for all they had. If history is any guide, they'll start up again with a new name and begin the milking process one more time. And you know what? The cows will line up. They always do. :yesnod:

http://www.steorn.com/forum/



Here's the timeline so far:

Jury Report
A blog has been set up by the members of the Steorn jury  More...
22 June 2009
Steorn launches SteornLab and sets out plans for 2009 launch of Orbo

Steorn launches the first of the four technology streams associated with the development of Orbo technology  More...
4 February 2009
President Mary McAleese visits Steorn as part of the Bolton Trust 20th anniversary celebrations

Bolton Trust, owners of Docklands Innovation Park, celebrates it's 20th anniversary  More...
4 October 2007
Steorn announcement: Kinetica Demonstration

Further to Steorn’s announcement yesterday (5th July) regarding the technical difficulties experienced during the installation of its “Orbo” technology at the Kinentica Museum in London.  More...
6 July 2007
Steorn announces plans for widespread deployment of its free energy technology post-validation

Dublin, 11th January 2007 - Full access to free energy technology will be made available via online development and support infrastructure  More...
11 January 2007
Steorn finalises contracts for jury to test its free energy technology

1st December 2006 - Steorn, the technology development company, today announces that it has finalised and signed contracts with an independent jury who will test Steorn's free energy technology.  More...
1 December 2006
Steorn announces end of selection process for jury of scientists and academics to test its free energy technology

10 November 2006 - Contracts to be completed with Jury by Friday 1st December  More...
10 November 2006
Steorn moves closer to test phase as it sets deadline for receipt of academic and professional credentials

4 October 2006 - Credentials to be received by midnight, Thursday October 5th 2006  More...
4 October 2006
Steorn calls time on application process for scientists to step forward and test free energy technology

25 August 2006 - Closing date set for 12 midnight, September 8th 2006 after more than 3,000 scientists apply  More...
25 August 2006
Steorn develops free energy technology and issues challenge to the global scientific community

17 August 2006 - Steorn places advertisement in The Economist appealing to the world’s most qualified scientists for public validation of its technology  More...
17 August 2006
Congratulations to Blackhawk.


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
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You can't fool all the people all of the time, but you can fool enough of the people some of the time to remain profitable... it helps to include a magnet.


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
If you all really want to understand the science behind the talk

If you want anyone to take you seriously, link up a real science journal. You won't because none of them bother with crap pseudoscience any more than with alien abductions and anal probes. :rolleyes:


I've posted journal links, they tend to be ignored. Sure there's lots of frauds but most of the great discoveries were considered 'pseudo-science' in their time.
I don't understand the hostility, sure these guys are just selling books and DVDs but when a scientist finally does tap the vacuum, (s)he will have had to take interest.

"It only takes one single white crow to prove that not all crows are black."

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Middleman]
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I don't understand the hostility

I've said this before but lemme explain it to you again...

Many laypeople (Steorn for example) present new cockamamie ideas that are totally contrary to established ideas, and they meet with resistance not because their ideas are contrary, but because they are LAYPEOPLE.

Name one example of a successful, paradigm-changing scientist who wasn't a practiced expert on the OLD paradigm first. Copernicus? Newton? Harvey? Kepler? Einstein? Maxwell? Watson & Crick? Boltzmann? Mendeleev? Planck? Feynman? Gell-Mann? Hubble? Lyell? Agassiz? Darwin? Tesla?

True some of these people's ideas were not accepted initially, but all of them understood and were practiced masters of the old way before they rocked the world with their new way.

Steorn and his ilk are all hacks, not masters. Hacks who've never done anything but dupe gullible people out of their money, and their publications show they don't even understand the old basics taught at high school level, let alone are they proposing anything new or revolutionary.

Deliberately ignoring your predecessors might be a good strategy in entrepreneurship, but it's definitely not in science. And THAT'S why every crackpot who reads Popular Mechanics and thinks he's a physicist is ridiculed and ignored.

The day a real physicist (not some guy who bought a Ph.D for $200 online) says in a peer-reviewed paper that he's invented a perpetual motion machine, I promise you everyone on Earth will sit up and pay attention. Until then, we'll just laugh at all the fools who 'invest' in the new Earth-shaking magnet idea that somehow never shakes anything at all.

So yeah, when some know-it-all nobody's ever heard of shows up proclaiming that he's single-handedly destroyed the foundations of physics and posts ads in finance magazines daring scientists to disprove his contraption, he gets the reaction he deserves.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
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see what cha went and started?  now there is gonna be 50 more tldr post on the web that i'm not gonna read and agree w/ half of them.


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
I don't understand the hostility

I've said this before but lemme explain it to you again...

Many laypeople (Steorn for example) present new cockamamie ideas that are totally contrary to established ideas, and they meet with resistance not because their ideas are contrary, but because they are LAYPEOPLE.

Name one example of a successful, paradigm-changing scientist who wasn't a practiced expert on the OLD paradigm first.


I understand that, the hostility seems to extend to academics who work in 'protoscientific' fields, which only seems to slow progress due to academics 'playing it safe' .

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Middleman]
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the academics didn't play it safe, they used scientific method.
they made a hypothesis: this guy is a crook and his shit will never work.
they tested their hypothysis: gave him plenty of time to make it work.
they reported their findings: dude is a crook.


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Middleman]
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> academics who work in 'protoscientific' fields

What do you mean 'protoscientific'?  Any academic practicing the traditional meaning of the word, "science" predating the scientific method, such as alchemy, deserves the hostility they receive from the scientific world.  Science is based upon the scientific method.  If an academic cannot support their work within the framework of the scientific method, then they are not really a scientist, and they will be scorned by the scientific community for pretending otherwise.

If, by 'protoscientific' you mean delving into new frontiers of science, as long as they follow the scientific method, they have nothing to fear.  Certainly, their conclusions and methodology will be scrutinized, but that is to be expected of any new research.  One of the primary requirements of the scientific method is repeatability by others.  It is often the lack of repeatability that brings hostility towards fringe researchers, not the topic being researched.

Also, there are plenty of academics that are absolutely worthless.  Just because somebody is teaching, or has a phd, does not mean that they are foolproof, that they are ethical, or that they deserve to be taken at their word without proof.


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Seuss]
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You guys have it wrong, what Steorn was trying to create was actually a perpetual funding machine.

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: antiPock]
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antiPock said:
You guys have it wrong, what Steorn was trying to create was actually a perpetual funding machine.


LOL.  And they made a valiant effort at that indeed.

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: ChuangTzu]
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whatever happened to boodhahoodlum?  He was the one that was always valiantly defending these people, and others doing the same scam.

peace

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: supra]
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He disappeared when challenged to put his money where his mouth is.  It's a shame too, because I would be $5000 richer right now.

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
And THAT'S why every crackpot who reads Popular Mechanics and thinks he's a physicist is ridiculed and ignored.


Obviously. My point is that confirmation bias is slowing progress.

"In a standard application of the psychological principle of confirmation bias, scientific research which supports the existing scientific consensus is usually more favorably received than research which contradicts the existing consensus. In some cases, those who question the current paradigm are at times heavily criticized for their assessments. Research which questions a well supported scientific theory is usually more closely scrutinized in order to assess whether it is well researched and carefully documented. This caution and careful scrutiny is used to ensure that science is protected from a premature divergence away from ideas supported by extensive research and toward new ideas which have yet to stand the testing by extensive research. However, this often results in conflict between the supporters of new ideas and supporters of more dominant ideas, both in cases where the new idea is later accepted and in cases where it is later abandoned."

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Middleman]
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LOL!  Its the steorn supporters and other mystics who slow progress with their confirmation bias.  They want to believe the bullshit, so they do - in spite of evidence.  They are true believers.

Real scientists, though not immune to confirmation bias, will accept a revolutionary energy device if there is a working prototype and/or sound theory.  There is neither in this case, yet the true believers still believe.

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