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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics

Thermodynamics explains the nature of energy in systems and why energy cannot be "re-used". Even if energy is derived from some force, it doesn't change the nature of energy. Entropy always trends down.

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
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Yeah, and Jesus is coming back any day now. You'll see.


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
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The one idea I see present in every post is the idea that the Casimir Effect has to do with zero-point energy. The fact is that no experimental evidence exists for zero-point energies of quantum fields.
Casimir originally calculated the force without invoking this, and a bit later formulated the force using it to make the calculation easier and more intuitive. However, it can be calculated purely from S-matrix elements, in terms of Feynman diagrams with external lines without any reference to the vacuum. All that this means is that the Feynman graphs that define the zero-point energy do not contribute to the calculation of the force and so only the graphs with external lines do.
Also energy and force are related, just look up the relationship between potential energy and Force, but of course they are not the same thing.

Theres a good MIT research paper I had to read last quarter about the formulation of the Casimir Effect, Im sure someone can find it. The Casimir Force is just the van der Waals force, a bit modified.

In terms of free energy from the Casimir Effect, Id love to see how someone plans on doing that.

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: TheCow]
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:lol:

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Boom]
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TheCow just read the book I posted on this subject it explain's everything you need to know. This type of technology was first conceieved by Nikola Tesla but never made widely available. Mr.Hal Puthoff is another name you should investigate he is with the Magnetic Power Incorporation which is another company like Steorn that will be releasing this technology this year.


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“I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T

“Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature."
- Nikola Tesla


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
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This type of technology was first conceieved by Nikola Tesla

Do you always make shit up?

Tesla died before the Casimir effect was ever proposed. You're just spouting dogma now.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
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Did you not read his quote Diploid

“Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature."
- Nikola Tesla


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“I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T

“Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature."
- Nikola Tesla


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
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So a prediction means to you that he already invented it? He was fond of induction, although his schemes would have been impractical and horrible

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: TheCow]
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> You'll see steorn will prove the skeptic's wrong.

Yes, he has done a very good job at that so far... advertises in an economics magazine for funding, then claims not to be accepting funding, technology validated by eight (not seven, but eight!) phd's, but he can't name them because, well, he has a reason (perhaps they majored in underwater basket weaving?), and to top it off, his demonstration fails, completely, because the lights in the room were too warm, or his dog ate his homework, or something, and yet, some people still believe that his snake oil is something real. Steorn could come out and claim it was all a hoax and people would still think he was on to something... amazing...


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Seuss]
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LoL are we still talking about this if you guy's would show some patience and understanding you would've already read the book I posted and come to the same conclusion as I did. These guy's aren't hoaxer's they could be doing far better thing's for the world if there was something better for them to do. Honestly do you think it somehow work's to their advantage to have this test demo fail? In the end they will come out on top and how do I know this you ask because I have a good understanding of the physic's behind it. All of the evidence is right in front of your face if your not too blind and jaded to see it. Most of you refuse to believe in it because every other free energy device has been a hoax and I agree with you but this doesn't mean that there won't ever be a free energy machine. If you guy's think this another minato motor your sadly mistaken and your in for a quite a surprise.


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“I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T

“Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature."
- Nikola Tesla


Edited by buddhahoodlum (07/13/07 06:39 AM)

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
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> Honestly do you think it somehow work's to their advantage to have this test demo fail?

Yes. The demo failed due to heat from the lights... continue to fund us and we will have a new heat-proof version to demonstrate soon... and to all the people that think we are fakes... we had a demo; if we were fakes, would we have had a demo knowing it would fail? I think not.

> if you guy's would show some patience and understanding you would've already read the book I posted and come to the same conclusion as I did.

I've have over 200 hours of science and engineering college credit. There is nothing, short of a non-affiliated third party reproducing the effects (peer review), that will convince me that somebody has created an over unity device. I have several thousand years of science to base my skepticism upon.

> and stuck on false-judgement's based on other people's failure's

Actually, I am "stuck on" other people's success... Newton, Einstein, Galileo, Kepler, Bohr, etc.

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss the people that make this machine are just as smart as Einstein,Newton, Galileo. These are the true innovator's Hal Puthoff who has a PHD from Stanford and both guy's at Steorn are Engineer's that are to work for the oil biz but now they are looking for a better alternative, but of course to you there nothing but some crazy looney's. And why is it the people that mean to do us nothing but good are the one's that are immediately shunned I really don't get it. And yes they will harness the energy of the casimir effect the Zero-Point Energy field is a vast ocean of energy with basically unlimited energy density to suck from. Honestly I've taken alot of science class's and I would be the last person to perpetuate this bullshit if I didn't deam it to be real in the first place. When you read that book it take's away the speculation and instead educates you to a higher level of thinking that not many scientist's have even fathomed over the past couple thousand year's except for one and that's Nikola Tesla. Were is the disconnect here is it the fact that the book is from zpower.com or is it because you are arrogant that you're way is the only way. And I'm not saying I'm completely right but there are force's at play here that need to be clarified before we move on in particular the casimir effect. Please explain to me without sidestepping the question. Where doe's this energy come from and why would it be so difficult to extract the energy given you had the proper tool's which I firmly believe steorn possesses. You can speculate all you want but until you are able to garner the knowledge you are all blind in your quick assumption's. Dissolve your ego and look at this my shoe's for a sec and realize the casimir force is a force to be reckoned with.


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“I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T

“Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature."
- Nikola Tesla


Edited by buddhahoodlum (07/13/07 02:10 PM)

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Seuss]
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http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=5,590,031.PN.&OS=PN/5,590,031&RS=PN/5,590,031:wtf:


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: trendal]
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:popcorn:


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: ZippoZ]
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Very cool trendal that's exactly what this is and can do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_E._Puthoff


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“I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T

“Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature."
- Nikola Tesla


Edited by buddhahoodlum (07/13/07 02:39 PM)

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
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> What do all think about this technology now?

If a twelve year old patent for "free energy" hasn't changed the world, then I suspect that it doesn't work.


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Seuss]
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Here Seuss do you need it in picture form

http://www.google.com/patents?id=at0nAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=5590031%7C#PPP1,M1


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“I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T

“Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature."
- Nikola Tesla


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
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I want to see a picture of a working prototype.

Just because something is patented doesn't mean it works at all. There are patents on the books for things that don't work.

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Seuss]
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Patents are issued for ideas, not ideas that necessarily work.

Here are some other hilarious examples of goofy patented ideas that don't work:

5107620: Electrified table cloth - Dsigned to discourgage bugs from crawling on a table cloth, the electrified table cloth shocks them, much like an invisible dog fence. I'm not sure this idea is so crazy -- if anyone knows where to get one of these, let me know :smile: Submitted by Karan Morrow.

4858627: A smoker's hat with an air intake, which filters and then expels the air. Looks pretty much like wearing the exhaust hood for a stove on your head.

5265827: Paddle Wheel Airplane - Does this thing really fly??? I'd be amazed.

5901666: Pet display clothing - wearable hamster Habitrail! This is a system of tubes that you can wear around, while your hamster crawls around in them. I have yet to see anyone wearing this, so I am guessing that it wasn't a smashing success at the pet stores (or clothing stores?).

5443036: Method of exercising a cat - In 1993 the USPTO issued this patent for using a laser pointer to exercise a cat (yes, by moving the laser pointer beam around and having the cat chase it). Come on now... Not only is this crazy to patent, but this idea had surely been thought of long before this patent came about. In fact, a bit of research turned up the book "One Hundred and Eighty-Seven Ways to Amuse a Bored Cat" (Ballantine Books; May, 1982) that describes the exact same idea, but using a flashlight. Sorry guys -- the use of a laser pointer for the same thing is obvious.

6368227: Method of swinging on a swing - So these fools think that in all the years of swinging no one has ever before thought to pull on the opposite chains and swing form side to side? Well, I guess they got the patent office to issue the patent, so I'm not sure who the fool really is... But, even so, what do these guys expect to do with this anyway? Are they going to go around and collect royalties from kids on the playground?

And my favorite:

3216423: Apparatus - for facilitating the birth of a child by centrifugal force This one is too old to have full-text, so you are going to have to look at the pictures -- but it's worth it. I can't help but wonder if this device was ever actually used? Submitted by Dan.

Many more idiot patents here: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/crazy.html

Summary: patents (especially 12 year old ones) mean little unless you have a working prototype like Steorn doesn't.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
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buddhahoodlum said:
I have a good understanding of the physic's behind it.


:rofl:
hahaha
How much physics do you actually know?  Hell Ive taken a year of quantum physics, and a physics class that went over various quantum topics including Quantum Field Theory and I don't even have a good understanding of the physics at the moment anymore. 

Im not going to read a book meant to persuade people who know nothing of physics about their bullshit.  If the book isn't composed primarily of topics with explanations which include long derivations of equations then it is irrelevant to me

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