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Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: spock]
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spock said:
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Therian said:
Where am I wrong here?


By being a racist fuck.

Peace
Spock

And yes, your use of 'negro' is offensive. But you know that.




So what happens when we let sub par black students into colleges where they do not deserve to study?  Everyone knows that it was a handout, and it takes away from the good black students that are high achievers.

Why would I want a black lawyer representing me when I know that he might have been given special treatment for his study, I would choose a high qualified professional who did his achievement on his own merit, which would rule out a black man.

The special treatment for black people is racist, and should not happen, it really just end up hurting their credibility  in the long run.

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Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: qman]
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And I will continue to refer to Negroes as such.  Becausethat is accurate far more than either "black" or "African-American", which could refer to someone much whiter than me


Although what you are saying is correct, it will never happen. Even if you were born and resided in Africa all your life, but you are not black, then you are not african. If you emigrated from Africa to America and you are not negro, don't even think of calling yourself african american. Apparently blacks have some sort ownership of the continent of Africa by default.


Paulo Serodio is suing his New Jersey medical school because he says he was harassed and kicked out of school for calling himself a "white African American." Serodio is not of mixed race; both of his parents are apparently white and he has white skin, according to observers. So how does he consider himself an African American?

Serodio, 45, was born and raised in the African country of Mozambique. He's now a naturalized American citizen, making him technically both African and American. In fact, because he was born in Africa, arguably he's more African American than most blacks in America who use that description.

Now Serodio's background is challenging the popular notion of what constitutes an African American, a term that became increasingly popular for blacks in the U.S. in the late 1980s at the urging of the Rev. Jesse Jackson.

In 2006, Serodio told his classmates at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey that he sees himself as a white African-American, prompting another student to complain. School officials told Serodio to cut it out, and he was summoned to a professor's office and ordered "never to define himself as an African-American," according to the lawsuit. Later in 2007, he was suspended from the school.

Serodio is now suing to be reinstated. His attorney filed a lawsuit on Monday in U.S. District Court in New Jersey seeking his readmission and monetary damages. Serodio says he was not only suspended but also harassed by fellow students after he wrote a newspaper article explaining his background.

"I wouldn't wish this to my worst enemy," he told the media. "I'm not exaggerating. This has destroyed my life, my career," he said.

Serodio says that before he was suspended he had planned to become a doctor and travel back to his native Africa to help in the community. Now a court will decide whether he will complete his medical training at the same school where he began.

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Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: Therian]
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I just like to be precise in my use of language because I think language usage is a very strong determinant of thinking.  If you incorrectly frame a question linguistically you end up with a garbage in/garbage out problem.  For an instance of something that seems to have been driving much political debate there are vast numbers of idiots who think that my failure to buy them something equates to my obstruction of their access to it.  These morons do not know what the word "access" means.  If that ever becomes an acceptable application of the word "access" let me assure all of you here that I am going to continue to obstruct all of your access to Ferraris.


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Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: Therian]
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That is a bunch of shit, by the way, regarding Serodio.  But they shouldn't even be asking the fucking question.


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Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
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Spock,

Think about it.  Therian (a la Breitbart) is trying to debate affirmative action and critical race theory ... really?  This isn't the 80's.

Besides Therian, no one else here believes that any one "race", tribe, hue, or whatever, of people has a higher intellectual or moral capacity than any other.  No one, except the rare racist fuck, has thought like that for more than 30 years.

Not even the dumbass moderators here.  :grin:


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Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: Not Quite Social]
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Not Quite Social said:
Spock,

Think about it.  Therian (a la Breitbart) is trying to debate affirmative action and critical race theory ... really?  This isn't the 80's.

Besides Therian, no one else here believes that any one "race", tribe, hue, or whatever, of people has a higher intellectual or moral capacity than any other.  No one, except the rare racist fuck, has thought like that for more than 30 years.

Not even the dumbass moderators here.  :grin:



Where did Therian say any race was superior?  He is questioning if it is fair to have affirmative action for black people and discriminating against all other races.

I suggest you read his arguments and stop "pre judging" for something they did not say.

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Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: qman]
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If they actually do have equivalent intellect then affirma6tive action is even more heinous than if they don't.


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Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: Therian]
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Breitbart really dropped the ball on that one, huh?

:lol:

that episode of hannity was hilarious, it almost didn't seem real. you could just see hannity and the others desperately trying to convince their base of something that they hardly believed themselves.


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Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: wildchild68]
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He is questioning if it is fair to have affirmative action for black people and discriminating against all other races.


Thank you. But the problem that is becoming blatantly clear is that the liberal types don't have a leg to stand on. They obviously are racist fucks themselves and have absolutely no legitimate rational rebuttal for the critical race theory.

So once again if any of the liberal chicken shit types on here can provide me with any logical reason as to why this theory is not inherently racist, unfair, and hypocritical please chime in. If you would like to respond with the typical liberal cop out of " your a racist fuck" then you only prove my point. Once again you have nothing to say and provide no reason as to why this "theory" and affirmative action in general is ethical.

If any of these "theories" or programs in any way benefited non-minorities or gave them an unfair competitive advantage based on nothing more than their skin color, then the program would be decried as nothing more than the manifestation of a procedure developed by the Klan and of course we would have J.Jackson, Sharpton, et. al. marching in the streets to protest. It would be wrong, unless of course you are black and do the same.

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Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: Therian]
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  • Besides Therian, no one else here believes that any one "race", tribe, hue, or whatever, of people has a higher intellectual or moral capacity than any other.  No one, except the rare racist fuck, has thought like that for more than 30 years.


    • Really? I do believe your leaders in the democratic party do feel this way. If not, then what is the justification for affirmative action? If minorities are just as able, just as intelligent, just as motivated, just as knowledgeable, just as skilled as their non-minority counterparts, then why allow them preferential treatment based on nothing more than their skin color? Why allow racist, discriminatory programs to exist which prevent non minorities form competing on a level playing field? Why disallow merit based advancement whereas ones achievements are not taken into consideration, but their melanin content is?

    Who is the racist fuck here? you don't see me proclaiming the need to have programs in place that allow employers to discriminate against potential employees based on their skin tone. You don't see me proclaiming the need to allow admissions officers at colleges to allow whites to have extra points to prevent blacks from gaining admission to scholastic programs. The liberal types here have proven without a doubt that they exhibit the qualities of the much maligned racist fucks.

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    Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: Therian]
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    So sorry, I am unable to respond for another 2 days, 7 hours, 16 minutes and 59 seconds.

    http://www.shroomery.org/forums/banlist.php


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    Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: spock]
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    spock said:
    Interesting how the rules are applied here...



    Peace
    Spock



    Totally implying thae the admin of the Shroomery are racist against Spock.




    :smbfacepalm:

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    Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: NQS]
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    NQS said:
    So sorry, I am unable to respond for another 2 days, 7 hours, 16 minutes and 59 seconds.

    http://www.shroomery.org/forums/banlist.php


    Part of being banned implies not being able to make announcements as to when you are unbanned. Making puppets to circumvent a ban is typically a big no-no. :wink:


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    Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: qman]
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    meams said:
    spock said:
    Interesting how the rules are applied here...



    Peace
    Spock



    Totally implying thae the admin of the Shroomery are racist against Spock.




    :smbfacepalm:

    .

    Not a very smart assessment of what I wrote. Totally.

    "Obamas negro minions" is racist language. There is no misunderstanding. The term
    is meant to be inflammatory. And save the "well this group, or that group uses it"
    argument. The term has been considered offensive for over 40 years. And if one asks
    "where am I wrong?" then my answer is by being a racist fuck. Racist fuck because
    this is not just ignorant dumb hick speech(close), it is plain and simple hate speech.

    "negro professor Derrick Bell" again..racist language. Harvard Professor Derrick Bell. He
    taught at Harvard not negro but I guess OP felt that the important credential of where
    the man taught was outweighed by designating his color( in very offensive language) first
    and foremost. Hmm...

    And "dude who I wish did not associate himself withFrank Zappa",LOL You are a funny guy
    but the hate and fear that your heart carries can't be healthy. Again LOL

    The racism in this thread is blatant. That it is backed by this forums moderation is
    deplorable in my opinion. To think an adult conversation on Critical Theory can be had
    that includes both sides when the OP is clearly more interested in hate speech speaks volumes.

    qman said:
    [Why would I want a black lawyer representing me


    Of course you wouldn't want a black lawyer representing you. I'm pretty sure why too.

    Peace(really)
    Spock

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    Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: spock]
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    spock said:
    meams said:
    spock said:
    Interesting how the rules are applied here...



    Peace
    Spock



    Totally implying thae the admin of the Shroomery are racist against Spock.




    :smbfacepalm:

    .

    Not a very smart assessment of what I wrote. Totally.

    "Obamas negro minions" is racist language. There is no misunderstanding. The term
    is meant to be inflammatory. And save the "well this group, or that group uses it"
    argument. The term has been considered offensive for over 40 years. And if one asks
    "where am I wrong?" then my answer is by being a racist fuck. Racist fuck because
    this is not just ignorant dumb hick speech(close), it is plain and simple hate speech.

    "negro professor Derrick Bell" again..racist language. Harvard Professor Derrick Bell. He
    taught at Harvard not negro but I guess OP felt that the important credential of where
    the man taught was outweighed by designating his color( in very offensive language) first
    and foremost. Hmm...

    And "dude who I wish did not associate himself withFrank Zappa",LOL You are a funny guy
    but the hate and fear that your heart carries can't be healthy. Again LOL

    The racism in this thread is blatant. That it is backed by this forums moderation is
    deplorable in my opinion. To think an adult conversation on Critical Theory can be had
    that includes both sides when the OP is clearly more interested in hate speech speaks volumes.

    qman said:
    [Why would I want a black lawyer representing me


    Of course you wouldn't want a black lawyer representing you. I'm pretty sure why too.

    Peace(really)
    Spock



    I stated why I would not want a black lawyer representing me, he may have received acceptance into a law school that he did not deserve, what is so hard to understand about this?

    If we did not have this special treatment, I would have not issue with having a black lawyer, I would know that he earned his way into law school, and I would not have to question his abilities or credentials.

    Affirmative action does not give me confidence in the person who has benefited from it, I don't care if the person was black, indian, or white. This program is more destructive than beneficial for black people, it questions their credibility, and that is never good.

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    Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: qman]
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    You would not want a black lawyer representing you. LOL there is nothing hard to
    understand about that. But you'll take your chances with the ol boy system. Cause that
    is what affirmative action really tries to work against.
    There are many resources for finding a good lawyer. The bar association comes to mind
    but there are others. But you'd choose based on race. Telling.

    Peace
    Spock

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    Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: spock]
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    I understand the points against affirmative action...and I agree with some of them, but your assessment of black lawyers based on it is simply nonsense...

    You fail to consider an entirely different factor that has a MUCH more profound impact on law school demographics than race....that's MONEY...people who come from money are way, way more likely to become lawyers.

    So your racial classification doesn't help you very much...In fact, by ruling out a black lawyer, you're very likely to have ruled out the one who worked hardest to get into law school.  The white lawyer very well may have gotten in solely because his daddy knows the right people.


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    Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: Enlil]
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    Enlil said:
    I understand the points against affirmative action...and I agree with some of them, but your assessment of black lawyers based on it is simply nonsense...

    You fail to consider an entirely different factor that has a MUCH more profound impact on law school demographics than race....that's MONEY...people who come from money are way, way more likely to become lawyers.

    So your racial classification doesn't help you very much...In fact, by ruling out a black lawyer, you're very likely to have ruled out the one who worked hardest to get into law school.  The white lawyer very well may have gotten in solely because his daddy knows the right people.



    Please explain to us how money gets people into law school?  Do students with bad grades in college buy their way into law school?  I don't know, I always thought the students were accepted based on the grades and study from their college and law SAT scores.

    Did daddy know the right people for some people, I am sure fraud takes place everywhere, but affirmative action is not a underground acceptance program, it clearly states that a certain amount of black student will be accepted, even if there are more qualified students.

    Guys read my response, if affirmative action did not exist, I would use a black lawyer, my problem is not with black lawyers, it is with affirmative action.

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    Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: qman]
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    qman said:
    Enlil said:
    I understand the points against affirmative action...and I agree with some of them, but your assessment of black lawyers based on it is simply nonsense...

    You fail to consider an entirely different factor that has a MUCH more profound impact on law school demographics than race....that's MONEY...people who come from money are way, way more likely to become lawyers.

    So your racial classification doesn't help you very much...In fact, by ruling out a black lawyer, you're very likely to have ruled out the one who worked hardest to get into law school.  The white lawyer very well may have gotten in solely because his daddy knows the right people.



    Please explain to us how money gets people into law school?  Do students with bad grades in college buy their way into law school?  I don't know, I always thought the students were accepted based on the grades and study from their college and law SAT scores.

    Did daddy know the right people for some people, I am sure fraud takes place everywhere, but affirmative action is not a underground acceptance program, it clearly states that a certain amount of black student will be accepted, even if there are more qualified students.

    Guys read my response, if affirmative action did not exist, I would use a black lawyer, my problem is not with black lawyers, it is with affirmative action.


    Actually, you're incorrect...affirmative action programs cannot, by law, have a certain number of slots set aside...A program can exist that takes race in as ONE FACTOR among others...largely because it is has been recognized that diversity helps education. (See: Gratz v bollinger, Grutter v bollinger)

    Of course every law school is different, but generally, an LSAT/GPA is a factor.  Law schools are ranked, in part, by how strict their lsat/gpa requirements are...Having said that, when I was in law school, it was clear that some students had no business being there but were there because of who they knew. 

    The black students in my law school, on the other hand, were some of the fiercest competition I ever ran into...

    It's also true that post law school jobs are often based on who you know...so that high paid lawyer you hire might just be a poor use of your money.


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    Re: Critical race theory (Breitbarts bombshell) [Re: spock]
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    Enlil said:
    I understand the points against affirmative action...and I agree with some of them, but your assessment of black lawyers based on it is simply nonsense...

    You fail to consider an entirely different factor that has a MUCH more profound impact on law school demographics than race....that's MONEY...people who come from money are way, way more likely to become lawyers.

    So your racial classification doesn't help you very much...In fact, by ruling out a black lawyer, you're very likely to have ruled out the one who worked hardest to get into law school.  The white lawyer very well may have gotten in solely because his daddy knows the right people.


    Did you even read my post?
    spock said:
    There are many resources for finding a good lawyer. The bar association comes to mind
    but there are others.


    So yeah.. I agree with you 100%
    I've needed the defence of a good lawyer more times than I'm proud of(not that I'm
    ashamed either) and would have been a fool to put my trust in someone based on the
    color of their eyes, the color of their skin or even their gender.
    I understand both sides of the affirmative action debate.

    Peace
    Spock

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