deCypher said:

I get how total awareness is a good thing, but paranoia and fear, to me, add an unnecessary negative emotion to the mindstate.

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Jessica Swift said:

Charles is full of more sense and less bullshit than the world's leaders and any fucking preacher.

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Jessica Swift said:

deCypher said:

I get how total awareness is a good thing, but paranoia and fear, to me, add an unnecessary negative emotion to the mindstate.

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"If you're not paranoid you're not paying attention," is one way to look at it. Women's breasts are illegal, they put you in tiny little cages for simply having a plant, many people still think there's a big Father in the sky, the trees and wildlife have been replaced with commercials and billboards, and everyone is calling an ace a spade. It doesn't mean we should be afraid. In fact, I think Charlie's 'problem' is he wasn't fearful enough. He had more jokes than fear.

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yeah said:

Not sure if serious...

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Enlil said:

But paranoia is a misperception of reality...it isn't simply "paying attention."  It is perceiving things that are not a threat as a threat...that diverts one's attention away from real threats...

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Misperception of reality?

There is no static and objective perception of reality. Even your own changes from morning to night. If you go a few weeks without food you may even perceive the reality of your dogs in a different way...

And what exactly are the "real" threats and what handbook did you get them from? Who gets to decide what's a real threat? "The News" is great at making threats that don't exist and people think they're imminent. To a socially anxious and highly empathetic person, public conversation itself can be a threat - and measurable through elevated cortisol level and cardiovascular response.

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We only have the capacity to handle so much information at once, so if we're worried about the wrong things, that means we're not worried enough about the right things.

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Fear is not the same as paying attention...fear is paralyzing and debilitating...it doesn't help one make wiser decisions...

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Jessica Swift said:

yeah said:

Not sure if serious...

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Yeah, I was serious. And no need for examples. I've seen nearly every Youtube video of him, save for the edits and repeats.

Enlil said:

But paranoia is a misperception of reality...it isn't simply "paying attention."  It is perceiving things that are not a threat as a threat...that diverts one's attention away from real threats...

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Misperception of reality?

There is no static and objective perception of reality. Even your own changes from morning to night. If you go a few weeks without food you may even perceive the reality of your dogs in a different way...

And what exactly are the "real" threats and what handbook did you get them from? Who gets to decide what's a real threat? "The News" is great at making threats that don't exist and people think they're imminent. To a socially anxious and highly empathetic person, public conversation itself can be a threat - and measurable through elevated cortisol level and cardiovascular response.

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We only have the capacity to handle so much information at once, so if we're worried about the wrong things, that means we're not worried enough about the right things.

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The "right things"? Again, which handbook told you about the right things to be worried about? I didn't get the memo.

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Fear is not the same as paying attention...fear is paralyzing and debilitating...it doesn't help one make wiser decisions...

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Fear, in fact, drives most all decisions.

I don't suppose we need to school you on death anxiety?

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Enlil said:

Are you saying that death anxiety is the same as fear? 

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You also seem to be equating fear with logically avoiding negative consequences...they aren't even close to the same thing.

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Fear is primal and leads to a fight or flight response...It doesn't help one solve problems or achieve the best result..

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And no one said that there was some universally correct perception...but paranoia, by definition, is a misperception. As defined on dictionary.com:

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Fuck dictionary.com. I know what the word means. Don't be juvenile. You don't have a better argument than quoting a dictionary?

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Words have meaning...being paranoid isn't being cautious or being hyper aware...it is misperceiving non-threats as threats.

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In one definition, yes. You are interpreting the context using the DSM/psychiatry version. Paranoia is also a "healthy" state of mind you can generate in people. After 9/11 the government created paranoia ('misperceiving non-threats as threats'). And even today, there is paranoia about Iran. But these aren't "misperceived." They are socially-constructed realities and they are as real as anything else.

But who gets to say what is a mental illness? Being paranoid about someone fucking your child is to be a good paranoid; being paranoid about "dangerous" cannabis smokers is to be a good paranoid; being paranoid about "terrorists" is to be a good paranoid.

These are agendas. Charlie didn't have one that was socially approved. So they wrote one for him and sold it.

Jessica Swift said:

Enlil said:

Are you saying that death anxiety is the same as fear? 

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It's a type of fear.

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You also seem to be equating fear with logically avoiding negative consequences...they aren't even close to the same thing.

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One motivates the other. You "logically avoid" the negativity of hunger, because you are fearful of it. You "logically avoid" violence because you are fearful of pain. You "logically avoid" over-exposure to the sun, because you fear a sunburn. This is life 101. What is your point?

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Fear is primal and leads to a fight or flight response...It doesn't help one solve problems or achieve the best result..

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Maybe not, but it organizes most of society. From traffic laws, to marriage fidelity, to avoiding dark alleys.

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And no one said that there was some universally correct perception...but paranoia, by definition, is a misperception. As defined on dictionary.com:

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Fuck dictionary.com. I know what the word means. Don't be juvenile. You don't have a better argument than quoting a dictionary?

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Words have meaning...being paranoid isn't being cautious or being hyper aware...it is misperceiving non-threats as threats.

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In one definition, yes. You are interpreting the context using the DSM/psychiatry version. Paranoia is also a "healthy" state of mind you can generate in people. After 9/11 the government created paranoia ('misperceiving non-threats as threats'). And even today, there is paranoia about Iran. But these aren't "misperceived." They are socially-constructed realities and they are as real as anything else.

But who gets to say what is a mental illness? Being paranoid about someone fucking your child is to be a good paranoid; being paranoid about "dangerous" cannabis smokers is to be a good paranoid; being paranoid about "terrorists" is to be a good paranoid.

These are agendas. Charlie didn't have one that was socially approved. So they wrote one for him and sold it.

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So you are just using words without any connection to their meaning at all..

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Words always have meaning. Tell me a word that doesn't? I'm excited!

Sometimes sentences don't have coherent meaning, hence the schizophrenic word salad, gobbledegook glossolalia, and the Ouroboros of Law libraries.

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Fear, paranoia...you make up the meanings as you go along...That must be a convenient way to go about argumentation...

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You can pretend like everything in the world is relative and completely amorphous, but that gets neither of us anywhere...It also got Manson nowhere.

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I have nothing to prove or anywhere to arrive. Where are you trying to go, sport?

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As true as it is that we can never "know" anything...we have to create working assumptions just to move forward as a species.  The other alternative is to swim in the sea of ignorance forever...

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Here you go with this moving forward rap again. They canceled NASA, you didn't hear?

"Swim in the sea of ignorance." That sounds poet, but I assume we're still operating with your own definition of ignorance. To an old woman who mends yurts in the hills of Mongolia, we're both pretty ignorant. Context is important with such words like ignorance. "Swimming in a sea of ignorance" is just a hot fart on my side of the river.

Jessica Swift said:

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So you are just using words without any connection to their meaning at all..

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Words always have meaning. Tell me a word that doesn't? I'm excited!

Sometimes sentences don't have coherent meaning, hence the schizophrenic word salad, gobbledegook glossolalia, and the Ouroboros of Law libraries.

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Fear, paranoia...you make up the meanings as you go along...That must be a convenient way to go about argumentation...

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This is an ad hominem. You're not saying anything interesting.

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You can pretend like everything in the world is relative and completely amorphous, but that gets neither of us anywhere...It also got Manson nowhere.

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I have nothing to prove or anywhere to arrive. Where are you trying to go, sport?

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As true as it is that we can never "know" anything...we have to create working assumptions just to move forward as a species.  The other alternative is to swim in the sea of ignorance forever...

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Here you go with this moving forward rap again. They canceled NASA, you didn't hear?

"Swim in the sea of ignorance." That sounds poet, but I assume we're still operating with your own definition of ignorance. To an old woman who mends yurts in the hills of Mongolia, we're both pretty ignorant. Context is important with such words like ignorance. "Swimming in a sea of ignorance" is just a hot fart on my side of the river.

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you make up the meanings as you go along...

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Just make up the meanings as you go along,

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That's the name of the game.

We're speaking through 1s and 0s right now. Those didn't fall from the apple tree.

Enlil said:

Icelander said:

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Why do you defend him. People who defend Manson are mostly easy influenceable, weak minded emo types.

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I couldn't care less if you defend him or don't...I never said I had a problem with that..


You're entitled to whatever opinions or beliefs that you may have.  It doesn't matter to me...

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yeah right

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Those two quotes are from two different people...If you paid attention, you might understand that...

Not that it matters....you and I lack the traits to understand each other.  You lack the requisite logical reasoning skills, and I lack the desire to help you understand.

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Post of the decade.  Classic.

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Are we posting here for trophies now? 

yeah said:

I'm wondering how much discretion one has to lack to see every video of Charles Manson and still believe he was deep and profound.

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