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 Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman  [Re: The Whale]
#14977741 - 08/25/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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More compilations of his esoteric ideas.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: The Whale]  1
#14977775 - 08/25/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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true, everyone was probably already convinced in there minds what he did
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: graffix87] 2
#14977830 - 08/25/11 05:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think perhaps the significance is this:
For a long time I also believed Charles Manson was a murderer and crazy.
Then I became intrigued by his demeanor and unique personality - which of course I cast off as being indicative of his "hypnotic" abilities or manipulative charisma. That evil, evil charm that pulled in so many poor, innocent people.
Then I continued to dig deeper and discovered everything about this man is extraordinary, particularly how he is represented to us. Aside from his personal messages, his image is an excellent reflection of our values as a society.
Now, the big take-away message is: if I was wrong about Manson, what else am I still wrong about or currently misunderstand?
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: The Whale]
#14977851 - 08/25/11 05:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: graffix87] 2
#14977980 - 08/25/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I used to be have a friend (really a friends dad) that is a prison guard. Well I guess he sat in on the trial for Charles Manson. Maybe just one time or multiple I'm not sure. You know how some people just give you that horrible vibe? I guess he totally felt the evil that was in Charles and he has such a blank look. That's just what this guy I knew said, thought I'd share...
Yeah prison guards are paragons of love and empathy.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: The Whale]
#14977992 - 08/25/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Whale said:
I think perhaps the significance is this:
For a long time I also believed Charles Manson was a murderer and crazy.
Then I became intrigued by his demeanor and unique personality - which of course I cast off as being indicative of his "hypnotic" abilities or manipulative charisma. That evil, evil charm that pulled in so many poor, innocent people.
Then I continued to dig deeper and discovered everything about this man is extraordinary, particularly how he is represented to us. Aside from his personal messages, his image is an excellent reflection of our values as a society.
Now, the big take-away message is: if I was wrong about Manson, what else am I still wrong about or currently misunderstand?
IMO CM is in a extreme position in his life experience. Beyond that he is very much like all other humans.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander]
#14978016 - 08/25/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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IMO CM is in a extreme position in his life experience. Beyond that he is very much like all other humans.
In most respects, I would agree.
But the extent to which he is open, communicative, and honest, perhaps surpasses what is average for other people. This may have been influenced by extreme experiences in his life, but he also exemplifies a mythological role of the teacher, the sage, or the wise man. His disposition has to function on an extreme - it wouldn't work as a writer or a lecturer, but his voice is equally important as the others who carry us baskets of truth.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: The Whale]
#14978127 - 08/25/11 06:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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wouldn't that be something if he were Jesus back to judge the living and the dead. Round 2 as an even slower death...
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: The Whale]
#14978659 - 08/25/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Whale said:
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Icelander said:
IMO CM is in a extreme position in his life experience. Beyond that he is very much like all other humans.
In most respects, I would agree.
But the extent to which he is open, communicative, and honest, perhaps surpasses what is average for other people. This may have been influenced by extreme experiences in his life, but he also exemplifies a mythological role of the teacher, the sage, or the wise man. His disposition has to function on an extreme - it wouldn't work as a writer or a lecturer, but his voice is equally important as the others who carry us baskets of truth.
I think it's due to the experiences he finds himself in. Were he given "proper" acculturation he might have been a rich, bright, investment banker.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander]
#14978813 - 08/25/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I trust what the media has said about Manson about as much as I trust reefer madness. I wouldn't put it past our governement with their MK ULTRA experiments, to have fabricated the whole thing as a way to curb the counter culture of that time by getting the majority of the population onto their side, and in one way or another it helped to that end.
Not that I trust Manson either.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander]
#14979116 - 08/25/11 09:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said:
People CAN be manipulated while on LSD or other hallucinogenic drugs. Easily. I don't give a fuck what the DEA says, this is simple truth. People in susceptible mindsets become more manipulatable.
And who cares if he didn't murder anyone with his bare hands? He convinced a cult to do so, which is just as bad.
Yeah, the justice system is fucked up and he is a victim of it. Doesn't mean he wasn't a fucked up person.
Each human is responsible for their own actions. Or else we are all not responsible.
And yet billions of dollars have been wagered by marketing firms on the belief that people can be manipulated to act in opposition to their own interests.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: blewmeanie]
#14979162 - 08/25/11 09:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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And who exactly is doing this "acting"?
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander]
#14979203 - 08/25/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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A number of people from the "manson family" if the official narrative, and their own confessions are to be believed.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: blewmeanie]
#14979225 - 08/25/11 09:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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So everyone is acting on their own behalf even if it ends up being against their ultimate interests.  Just being unskillful in obtaining their personal goals does not mean they are not responsible. Or like I said then no one is responsible.
CM was responsible for his actions, not theirs.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander]
#14979265 - 08/25/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't know if most people are responsible for much of anything. To me most people seem diffused with the awareness of a slinky. I do love a good slinky though.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: blewmeanie]
#14979282 - 08/25/11 10:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: blewmeanie]
#14979287 - 08/25/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't know if most people are responsible for much of anything. To me most people seem diffused with the awareness of a slinky. I do love a good slinky though.
Are you not responsible for your actions? If not you then who?
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With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander]
#14979309 - 08/25/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think taking responsibly for everything in your life is a healthy and helpful perspective to adopt, but I don't know if there's any objective truth to it. We all have our buttons to be pushed.  beep boop beep
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: blewmeanie]
#14979409 - 08/25/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Of course we can't know if there is objective truth to any thing we discuss here. Hasn't stopped us yet.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander]
#14979468 - 08/25/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nor shall it.
Anyway, I'm a little high an probably getting sidetracked. My point was, all our actions have consequences, and in that regard, the efficacy of words is without question.
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