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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: The Whale]
    #14981936 - 08/26/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well while you're reading the bible you can find where it says ", A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house."


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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander]
    #14982092 - 08/26/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Well while you're reading the bible you can find where it says ", A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house."




What? You mean a prophet may be some dirty bum who is misunderstood?

Shit, man. I see the beard. But where are the robes, the pulpit, the college degrees, the magic super powers? All I hear is him talking about love and kindness. Surely it's more complicated?

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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: The Whale]
    #14982105 - 08/26/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The Whale said:
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Icelander said:
Well while you're reading the bible you can find where it says ", A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house."




What? You mean a prophet may be some dirty bum who is misunderstood?

Shit, man. I see the beard. But where are the robes, the pulpit, the college degrees, the magic super powers? All I hear is him talking about love and kindness. Surely it's more complicated?

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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14982167 - 08/26/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #14982317 - 08/26/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Wow. Its amazing how very gullibale you are. He convinced women to murder Sharon Tate,

He did? How do you know that?  I think they convinced themselves.  If he had the power to convince others against their will he could have ruled the world.

No one can make you do anything against your will, not anyone, including yourself.  If that is not true then none are responsible.




If I hired someone to kill people, would I have committed a crime?

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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Sly Stone]
    #14982334 - 08/26/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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If I hired someone to kill people, would I have committed a crime?




Rhetorical questions are nearly as tasteless as incarcerating saints.

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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: The Whale]
    #14982358 - 08/26/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Who says this mother fucker isn't enlightened? He's dancing in prison.



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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: The Whale]
    #14982362 - 08/26/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Truth hurts.

Manson was a psychopath that orchestrated mass murders. He did this because he thought the song Helter Skelter prophesied a race war. He tried to start the race war by killing rich white people hoping the murders would be blamed on black people. This would start create his race war.

If you see that as saintly, I feel sorry for you.

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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Sly Stone]
    #14982399 - 08/26/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Sly Stone said:
Truth hurts.




Dude, no offense but you didn't contribute anything new to the conversation.

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Manson was a psychopath that orchestrated mass murders. He did this because he thought the song Helter Skelter prophesied a race war. He tried to start the race war by killing rich white people hoping the murders would be blamed on black people. This would start create his race war.

If you see that as saintly, I feel sorry for you.




He wanted to start a race war?

Haha, ok. I could've read that on Wikipedia.

Mind sharing some direct admission from Manson? This, again, is just hearsay.


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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: The Whale]
    #14982439 - 08/26/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Black is white, up is down.

See I'm a shaman prophet, too.

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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Sly Stone]
    #14982475 - 08/26/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Go live on the streets for awhile and spend several decades in prison cells. If you're still laughing and dancing, then we'll talk.


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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Sly Stone]
    #14982755 - 08/26/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Sly Stone said:
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Icelander said:
Wow. Its amazing how very gullibale you are. He convinced women to murder Sharon Tate,

He did? How do you know that?  I think they convinced themselves.  If he had the power to convince others against their will he could have ruled the world.

No one can make you do anything against your will, not anyone, including yourself.  If that is not true then none are responsible.




If I hired someone to kill people, would I have committed a crime?





By social laws yes.  So?


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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Sly Stone]
    #14982763 - 08/26/11 04:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

He tried to start the race war by killing rich white people

Who did he kill?  Hint: nobody.


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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #14982926 - 08/26/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Okay, then let's set him free and he can live at your house.

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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Sly Stone]
    #14982940 - 08/26/11 04:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Now why would I let him live at my house when I won't let anyone else live there?  You really are getting silly dude.


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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander]
    #14983476 - 08/26/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I mean give me a break, that dude was evil! He's got a swastika tatooed on his forehead...true he was a product of society, but i guess he wasn't able to overcome his conditioning fully because if he had he'd be a free man walkin today


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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: g00ru]
    #14983480 - 08/26/11 06:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

he should never have formed a cult, that was highly irresponsible


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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: The Whale]
    #14983684 - 08/26/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Let's see these interviews! When does he vocally support Hitler, the holocaust, or Neo Nazis?




Based on your response to my post, I have a feeling that you're not going to attempt to listen to what I say.  And I'm not going to go through hundreds of hours of Manson interviews so that I can prove my point that Manson is racist.  One thing I did do, was look up one scene from the pro-Manson documentary called Charles Manson Superstar.  This is just one little sliver of the overwhelming evidence that Manson is a racist. 

I'm starting it at 10:00 in.  When asked if he feels connected to Hitler, he says "We all do" and then talks about Hitler in very complimentary fashion saying "Anybody who wants to put order in the world has got to stumble upon Hitler".  He's saying that anyone who cares about changing the world would do what Hitler did.  Then he says that (in reference to what Hitler did) "You don't have any other choice".  He's saying that you have to kill millions of people in order to put order into the world.   

11:18, they talk about Manson's kinship with Hitler's deputy and Nazi war criminal, Rudolph Hess.  Manson goes on to speak of Hess as a hero, as his idol and someone who was "on that very same thought that you and I are standing on now". 

12:27, with his hand in a Nazi salute, he talks about how you can't kill that thought (the one that he and Hess were/are in).  He goes on to say that "too many people (the Nazis) gave their lives for it". 










So that's just a small example of Manson's racism and support for the Nazi movement.  If I wanted to, I could go on for days with examples such as those, but I'm not going to spend anymore time on it, at least until I can see that you're actually listening.  I spent an hour preparing this post tonight and I hope you won't just gloss over what I've said and presented without taking a hard look at it. 














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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander]
    #14983722 - 08/26/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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He tried to start the race war by killing rich white people

Who did he kill?  Hint: nobody.




So if I give someone money to kill your family, would you call me innocent?  Manson didn't use money, but he used his influence which is the exact same thing. 

And again, even if you don't believe that he told those people to kill, which all but TWO of his former Family members will attest to, he drove the killers to The Labiancas' home and he tied them up!  That's accessory to murder.  He also helped Clem and Bruce Davis murder Shorty Shea.  Once again, he is an accessory to murder!  That makes him directly involved in the brutal slayings of three innocent people even if you forget about his influence over the Gary Hinman and Sharon Tate (and friends) killings.  If someone was directly involved with killing your family, would you call them innocent?  Come on dude.   















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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Learyfan] * 1
    #14984134 - 08/26/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So if I give someone money to kill your family, would you call me innocent?

No I would not call you innocent but I also would not call you a murderer.  Are we the american people guilty of the killings in Iraq of innocent civilians due to the fact that we pay taxes that go to paying for the bombs and bullets?


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