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Re: Muslims: Xenophobia or Danger? [Re: Anonymous #8]
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"Uneducated", lol. Yes, everybody who disagrees with you is uneducated. :picard:

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Re: Muslims: Xenophobia or Danger? [Re: Anonymous #4]
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I thought nearly ever active confict on Earth involved the US.

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Re: Muslims: Xenophobia or Danger? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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the danger I perceive is that their primitive customs, laws and beliefs will begin to rub off on the western world as their numbers grow.




Muslims are being used as the demonized group to unite against by our totalitarian government to deflect attention away from itself, like the Nazis did with the Jews - and you're falling for it.

What are you afraid of? That stormtroopers raid your place at night, shoot your dog, throw flashbangs in your kids bedroom and sell off your shit while they put you in jail for years for posession of a plant? That you can be arrested and have your bundle seized if you want to catch a plane to vegas with $10K in cash in your pocket? That all your internet and email is being logged? Thats not the Muslims.

What COULD rub off from the Muslims to us is that we one day get off our collective asses, grab a gun, get in the car and head to the government to cast it out and replace it with something more representing the people, by any means necessary.

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Re: Muslims: Xenophobia or Danger? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I've known a few Muslims and they were all pretty laid-back about their religion. I know you've heard they pray five times a day but my Muslim acquaintances do not.

One of my friends fasts during the daytime during the month of Ramadan. That's really the only Muslim tradition I've seen him following. He wasn't devout by any means or even really a believer, and actually wasn't a big fan of his religion.

It's really analogous to Christians: you've got some fanatical crazies and you've got some more secular types who only take it so seriously. The recent attempted "Christmas bomber" was reported to the authorities by his own father, who unlike his rebellious son (most Islamic extremists are orphaned kids or rebelling against their parents), had greater allegiance to America than to the wacky "Shariah" being pushed by fundamentalists. The differences are fewer than you think. Their traditions are no more "primitive" than ours.

We also have Muslim scientists to thank for, well, science. Don't underestimate the sophistication of their culture. Most of our recent advancement as a civilization is owed to Islamic civillization. They preserved classical Greek philosophy and developed math and science throughout the European dark ages (which were not so dark in the near east) and helped us usher in the Enlightenment. Since then we have essentially swapped places in terms of cultural dominance, due to the industrial revolution and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after World War I.

Muslims will probably work through their difficulties as a civilization and become more influential on the global stage again, and it's nothing to be feared. I'm actually looking forward to a peaceful middle east that I can comfortably visit, it has a very rich history. Islamic empires in the past have generally been very religiously tolerant (moreso than Europe) and intellectually advanced, with breathtaking architecture, art, literature, and science; once the extremists (of whom there are VERY few) are defeated, I believe Islamic civilization will flower again and have peaceful ties with Europe and America. We have far more in common than the chest-thumpers and TV pundits lead us to believe.

Islam right now is more primitive than it has ever been, and it has more to do with geopolitical realities than with Islam itself.

Edited by Anonymous (02/09/12 01:57 PM)

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Re: Muslims: Xenophobia or Danger? [Re: Anonymous #4]
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If you doubt that Islam actually has a long and fruitful history of cooperation with Christianity, I think you should check out this article--

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arabic_loanwords_in_English

Yeah, there's a shitload. In the end we're buddies with the Muslims. We worship the same God (albeit in different ways). They actually believe in the virgin birth and venerate Jesus as a prophet of the same importance as Mohammad himself, which should be taken as the highest praise and sincerest respect for our traditions. IMO our cultures were meant to be friendly but different, and to share our different advancements and strengths. When the cultures "rub off" on each other and become intertwined, I think it benefits both civilizations.

Edited by Anonymous (02/09/12 02:17 PM)

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Re: Muslims: Xenophobia or Danger? [Re: Anonymous #4]
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Anonymous #4 said:
If you doubt that Islam actually has a long and fruitful history of cooperation with Christianity...



Oh, we are talking about history?  I thought we were talking about current times.

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Re: Muslims: Xenophobia or Danger? [Re: Anonymous #2]
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Anonymous #2 said:
Anonymous #4 said:
If you doubt that Islam actually has a long and fruitful history of cooperation with Christianity...



Oh, we are talking about history?  I thought we were talking about current times.



You're right, I forgot that current times exist hermetically sealed off from the past. Thanks for keeping me on track!

In Europe the middle east is like America's Mexico. The poor ones go to Europe. But most Muslims who make it to America are well-educated. It is difficult for primitive tribespeople to book airplane flights.

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Re: Muslims: Xenophobia or Danger? [Re: Anonymous #2]
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Anonymous #2 said:
The book is completely and totally irrelevant.  What is relevant is the actions and beliefs of the people.  Nearly every active conflict on earth involves muslisms.  The common theme is not their race, not their economic status - its their religious culture.  From N. Africa to the Phillipeans, from the Sudan up to Chechnya... wherever muslims border non-muslims there is violence.  Sure, you can find some reasons to side with the muslims in some of these conflicts but there are just so many and its so wide spread that you have to be a politically correct fool to ignore it at large.

It doesnt matter what any book says.  What matters is the global warring, hate and destruction that comes from that culture and the followers of that culture.  Of course, the biggest victims of muslim culture are fellow muslims as is usually the case with oppressive ways of life.



The muslim world is maybe the poorest geographic sphere in the world. Wealthy countries, mostly christian, don't wage war on each other anymore (WW2 wasn't that long ago after all). The conflicts within this area are explained by financial and social reasons, while power is held by rich Arabic dynasties (Qatar, Emirates) or powerful dictatorships implemented by western forces as a solution to impose stability after the end of colonization (Mubarak, Ben Ali, Bouteflika).

Furthermore, now that christianity is far away from its roots (supporting outcasts and poor folk), Islam has taken its place as the religion of those who suffer. Thus its success.

People shouldn't be scared, we've been stepping on dead muslim bodies ever since the 60' and not much happened to us in return. A suicide bomber is a spectacular thing, but it rarely rises the death toll above 10; the immense majority of suicide bombings occur in those countries, not near our homes (because muslims do kill each other too). While Bin Laden killed 3000 in the WTC incident, the USA lost 6000 men trying to control the area, tens of thousands of civilians in the process.

Really, why are people complaining? :smile:

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Re: Muslims: Xenophobia or Danger? [Re: Anonymous #9]
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Continually bomb ANY people, kill ANY people's childrens with reaper strikes, and they will be enraged.

Muslim Terrorism is in my eyes completely justified. 9/11 was completely justified.

You can say; the people working in the world trade centre didn't directly have anything to do with the actions of their government. But they were all just little Eichmanns.

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