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Re: my schizoaffective disorder and orthomolecular medicine [Re: Anonymous #1]
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"Chelation therapists state they have administered millions of EDTA treatments to hundreds of thousands of patients over the past 40 years. Protagonist publications contain their claims of numerous clinical successes and speculations couched in modern scientific terms, seeking to explain how chelation therapy could work. Since there is no evidence showing the treatment has modified the disease process, it is clear that the "benefits" being described are the result of the compassionate attention paid to the problems of the patient and to the encouragement given them to cope with their symptoms, and/or to changes in patients' lifestyle, the same ones recommended by scientific practitioners

If chelation therapists practiced in a scientific manner, their publications would show an interest in obtaining objective proof that chelation could alter the progress of the atherosclerosis, that occluded blood vessels could be cleared, that plaque deposits could be reduced, and that hardened arteries could be "softened." Their data would include carefully documented case reports with long-term follow-up, comparisons of angiograms or ultrasound tests before and after chelation, and data from autopsies of former patients. But chelationists have published no such data. The few well-designed studies that have addressed the efficacy of chelation for atherosclerotic diseases have been carried out by "establishment " medical scientists. Without exception, these found no evidence that chelation worked.

Based on numerous reviews of the world's medical literature, these same conclusions have been reached by the FDA, the FTC, National Institutes of Health, National Research Council, California Medical Society, American Medical Association, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, American Heart Association, American College of Physicians, American Academy of Family Physicians, American Society for Clinical Pharmacology Therapeutics, American College of Cardiology, and American Osteopathic Association.

Notwithstanding claims to the contrary, the chelation "establishment" is not being victimized by a prejudiced and arrogant medical orthodoxy, but by its own unwillingness to mount a rigorous, placebo-controlled, double-blind clinical trial and stand by the results."

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chelation.html


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I have considered such matters.

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Re: my schizoaffective disorder and orthomolecular medicine [Re: Cherk]
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ps. chelation compounds reduce the bodies bio-availability of vitamin C which is why chelation treatments are supplemented with Vitamin C


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Re: my schizoaffective disorder and orthomolecular medicine [Re: Anonymous #1]
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you using adderal two days a week and it making you feel better... is that a placebo effect?



Lol, at this point i'd say yes... I don't know why I even take it anymore. Just like how people addicted to coffee need their fix or they get a headache. And the coffee doesn't even get them amped up, they just need it to get them to base level.

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the fact that the doctor was unaware what metals i handled before the testing



There are ways for doctors to find out what jobs you previously held:shrug: Hell a basic google search of your name yields much more about yourself then you think.

Since you still insist that the placebo effect isn't a possibility, do you know of the story of the man who was told by his doc that he had pancreatic cancer? He actually didn't, but had been experiencing pains in that area just by coincidence and the doctor called this guy in by accident rather then the guy who actually had cancer. Both of them visited within the month for x-rays. Guess what happened to the guy who got called in but didn't actually have cancer? He developed cancer within a month, because he was 100% convinced that he had it. Kinda like you're 100% convinced about your stuff?:shrug:

Im gonna repeat again, I never stated that YOU are a victim of placebo. I was just giving a friendly reminder that as Shakespear would always say in his plays, all is not as it appears to be. The friendliest and knowledgeable people can be the shadiest. Trust me, I work in sales and marketing. Heres a part of my original post just so you stop with the idea that this was a personal attack directed towards you and saying that OM is full of shit- I didn't. But I will say this- keeping a skeptical mind usually works out for the better in the end. But who cares, you seem 'fine' now.

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Im not saying your doc is a cook and just wants your money, but when in any position of power and when you possess information that most people don't know about, it's only a matter of time before anyone would use that to their advantage and most likely in deceit. I would take it all with a grain of salt imo. You feel better? Great... if you feel that its because of the orthomolecular medicine then keep doing it. In the end it's all about how you feel, right?




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Re: my schizoaffective disorder and orthomolecular medicine [Re: Anonymous #1]
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cateyes said:
i mean, there are so many variables here



I know what you mean :popcorn:


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Re: my schizoaffective disorder and orthomolecular medicine [Re: Anonymous #1]
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cateyes, i'm really glad you're feeling better. i was just curious if you know what they were using to chelate heavy metals from your body?


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Re: my schizoaffective disorder and orthomolecular medicine [Re: Anonymous #1]
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have you ever taken a hot yoga, or bikram yoga class? (they are the same thing)

i'm starting back up again in a few hours, pretty stoked.


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Re: my schizoaffective disorder and orthomolecular medicine [Re: Anonymous #1]
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cateyes said:
well i met wit dr camo this morning and we talked for awhile, mostly how i've been doing... i told her i was having some problems sleeping and was unable to get at least 8 hours in and she upped my 5-HTP to 400mg and told me to use chelated zinc and magnesium before bed on top of my mineral supplementation... i told her about the results of the metal tests and that treatment was able to end sooner then expected... i also told her i honestly felt i had no hypothyroid or low adrenal issues any longer and she said that it's possible but she said why don't we wait for the test results in two months... makes sense of course, but i can still think it i told her! :smile: of course she agreed... she didn't remove me off of any of the supplements or herbs other then the deaner's fluid... i told her i still catch myself talking out loud sometimes or so does my wife... that i still have idea's just pop into my head out of nowhere and that i sometimes get the idea that others are talking about me from time to time but i'm able to put the idea out of my head quickly... she said everything will be fine...

next visit february 9th 2012

Kensho :psychsplit:




ever heard of an herb called Bacopa Monnierri? or Holy Basil? i think both of them would be very good for you dude..


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Edited by Anonymous (02/03/12 11:44 PM)

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Re: my schizoaffective disorder and orthomolecular medicine [Re: Anonymous #1]
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well shit, all herbs should definitely be out of the question then :thumbup: :confused:


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Edited by Anonymous (02/03/12 11:45 PM)

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Re: my schizoaffective disorder and orthomolecular medicine [Re: Anonymous #1]
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turmeric is either an herb or spice (spelled turmeric pronounced tumeric..) i don't really care, it's just good for you :smile: i picked up a pound of some beautiful looking turmeric the other day.

but yeh i take milk thistle and dandelion root as well. what do you mean that people take siberian ginseng in a natural form everyday?

that's good your adrenals are doing better dude. adrenal fatigue is horrible. mine are recovering :thumbup:


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