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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Man is the being through whom nothingness comes into the world
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‎"The Being by which Nothingness arrives in the world is a Being such that in its being, the Nothingness of its Being is in question. The being by which Nothingness comes to the world must be its own Nothingness." J.P. Sartre

Our consciousness is a transcendent subjective being that is the vehicle through which nothingness comes to exist. We can create nothing because our consciousness is nothing. That is not to say that our consciousness is non-existent, simply that is unsubstantiated, indefinable and unprovable. Nothingness is the comparison between our expectations against our observations. Nothingness is only measurable and definable against a something. How can we measure or define our consciousness? Is our consciousness truly the source of nothingness? What is nothingness?


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Re: Man is the being through whom nothingness comes into the world [Re: mistamonsta]
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mistamonsta said:
‎What is nothingness?


mistamonsta said:
Nothingness is the comparison between our expectations against our observations.


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I don't get this "nothingness" talk.


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Re: Man is the being through whom nothingness comes into the world [Re: CYaN1c1oWN]
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Nothingness simply put is the lack of something. For instance: when you go to the fridge for a beer and there is no beer there you realise the lack of beer. It is the realisation of something missing, but can only be found in the mind. When looking for the beer you do not necessarily take into account or notice everything else in your fridge except for the lack of beer, a nothingness.  It is a purely human psychological phenomena, similar to destruction. If a hurricane or storm destroys a house, all the pieces are still there, but all the same we consider it destroyed due to it not being in the arrangement we expect to find it. It is this psychological phenomena that is nothingness. It is only through conscious subjective observation and subjective comparison to past experiences and present expectations that it can be found. At the same time Sartre asserts that because we cannot define or prove our consciousness objectively it too is a nothingness which is why I asked about defining, measuring and proving consciousness. It is an interesting point of view, albeit a little confusing. I was hoping for some alternate opinions on this concept....


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Re: Man is the being through whom nothingness comes into the world [Re: mistamonsta]
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I'm getting it... slowly but surely.

And just wait; I'm sure someone with knowledge in this realm of thought will respond.


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Re: Man is the being through whom nothingness comes into the world [Re: mistamonsta]
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I thought nothingness was not the lack of something, but rather the absence of anything/everything... within a particular scope of space. I.e. "The box does not have anything in it, it is empty, and therefore has nothing in it." Is what you're talkin bout different to this?


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Re: Man is the being through whom nothingness comes into the world [Re: mistamonsta]
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"I have plenty of nothing and nothing's plenty for me"

there


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Man is the being through whom nothingness comes into the world [Re: Mufungo]
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This is exactly what I mean, Im sorry if my explanation was unclear. It does not matter to us that the box is full of air, or many sub atomic particles but the emptiness of the box is what we observe and therefore create in our minds, due to our expectations and past experiences that boxes should contain things..... it is a key concept of Sartre's Being and Nothingness and the philosophy of Existentialism


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Re: Man is the being through whom nothingness comes into the world [Re: mistamonsta]
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This thread gives me nausea.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Man is the being through whom nothingness comes into the world [Re: Icelander]
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Nice reference... The "taste" of the facticity and contingency of existence. "A dull and inescapable nausea perpetually reveals my body to my consciousness." On the ground of this fundamental nausea are produced all concrete, empirical nauseas (caused by spoiled meat, excrement, etc.).


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Re: Man is the being through whom nothingness comes into the world [Re: mistamonsta]
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Just a lucky guess. :monkeydance:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Man is the being through whom nothingness comes into the world [Re: Icelander]
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"With the exception of mankind, all creatures are immortal, for they know nothing of death."
-Jorge Luis Borges


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Re: Man is the being through whom nothingness comes into the world [Re: NetDiver]
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:thumbup: Yet we seem to think that we are in a privileged state.:confused:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Man is the being through whom nothingness comes into the world [Re: Icelander]
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I agree with the basic overall concept but don't really think its translates to our consciousness. Yeah its unmeasurable, but I'm sure lots unmeasurable things exist and therefore are not nothing, but something. Something we are not able to prove.


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Re: Man is the being through whom nothingness comes into the world [Re: Linus]
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Re: Man is the being through whom nothingness comes into the world [Re: Linus]
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Linus said:
I agree with the basic overall concept but don't really think its translates to our consciousness. Yeah its unmeasurable, but I'm sure lots unmeasurable things exist and therefore are not nothing, but something. Something we are not able to prove.


How do you know something exists if it's unmeasurable? Basically all you said was "There are things you can't prove exist. They exist, you just can't prove it." :confused:


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Re: Man is the being through whom nothingness comes into the world [Re: NetDiver]
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Now you are starting to get the idea... Please continue.... How does one define or prove consciousness? How can one prove the existence of other consciousnesses even if we take our own as a forgone conclusion?


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Re: Man is the being through whom nothingness comes into the world [Re: mistamonsta]
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Is nothingness merely abstract thought over an observation or does it have some facet of reality or existence? The first law of thermodynamics observes the principle of conservation of energy, simply that energy can be changed from one form to another, but cannot be created nor destroyed. If matter is just energy condensed to a slow vibration then how can something be truly destroyed or truly nothing?


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