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****ANSWERS....**FACT** ---- Creating SOMETHING from NOTHING (nope).... . . .
    #3876244 - 03/06/05 07:04 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

**FACT** ---- Not One Person (nor, more than one person) Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... .  .  .    .

Does anyone wish to Challenge this notion presented here....?    :shocked:  :ooo:



For, if my theory IS correct, It would PROOVE to be an ABSOLUTE....!..!..!.!.!!!    :shocked:  :laugh:  :grin:  :yesnod: 
Which will make 3 total (so far) on my growing mental list of  Factual Absolutes - based on relative Perception....  :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


As even by One's Individual Relative Perception, we can ALL Perceive the same way in certain Fundemental things as Absolutes....


It is Sunday March-06-2005 6:30am....

I will (attempt to) proove all challenges wrong on Wednesday night or so,
after those that wish too, get a chance to ponder and think up some ways....  :wink:  :grin:

Perhaps no one will be able to come up with any ways for me to challenge....?  For then it will stand as a FACT....
HHhhhhhmmmmmmmm....  Indeed, Anything is Possible....  :wink:  :smile:  Perhaps someone will make me eat my very words....?  :noway::noway:

Lets make this interesting, shall we....?!!  For anyone to proove this idea wrong, I will GLADLY give them 5 Shroomz~.... 
AND will admit in my rating that I was wrong, and how they prooved me wrong, ABSOLUTELY....!  :shocked:  :blush:



All in good fun my friends of friends....!    I do thank YOU  if you decide to play....    :heart:



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Edited by PhanTomCat (03/10/05 03:12 AM)


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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3876252 - 03/06/05 07:12 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

what are the other two



and what do you mean "create something from nothing"?

will a cheesebuger into my hand?


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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: sleepysmoker]
    #3876276 - 03/06/05 07:36 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Good question. I wanna know the other two things as well. And what are some of the fundamental absolutes that everyone can perceive as the same?


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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: discoabe]
    #3876285 - 03/06/05 07:46 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Good afternoon folks,

Aaahhhh, those threads are to come in due time, in due time....  :wink:

Now, let's get to creating sum stuff from nuthin....!

No RULEZ~, well except that you have to make your creation from nothing....    :grin:


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P.S.
Make that 4 Absolutes, I just thought of another one....  :grin:


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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3876391 - 03/06/05 09:36 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

To understand the chain of causation so that your tiny inputs generate massive outputs...to become the unseen controller, the leader who's work your people see but in results...to become so subtle that you *are* the nothing that gives rise to the something.

**or**

Take an area in the ground where there is nothing. I label it a "hole"...something from nothing. :grin:


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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: the_phoenix]
    #3876451 - 03/06/05 10:19 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=axiom

some stuff, from nothing.. uhm?

a thing made of stuff? its then stuff, as in nothing.. and it made it self? :P

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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: Gomp]
    #3876482 - 03/06/05 10:46 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

If I clap my hands together, I've made noise in that space where there was none, or open my mouth and sing a song, hum a melody, I've made what is known as music, in a space where there was none.

Or to be more particular, thoughts; say I've never seen, heard of, imagined, and furthermore never even knew post-it notes existed, so technically I've thought nothing of them, until I seen, heard, or imagined them, suddenly from nothing, I have all these new delightful thoughts about post-it notes.


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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: the_phoenix]
    #3876521 - 03/06/05 11:07 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

"Take an area in the ground where there is nothing."

Wow. where do you find holes containing nothing? that would be something :wink:

all is energy. this should mean that the only one capable of making something outta nuthin would be the source of the energy. even though this source might use other 'stuff' :smile:

edit: i mean, aren't we all just a bunch of transformers. hehe. power supplies re-directing energetic currents : P


Edited by dr_mandelbrot (03/06/05 11:10 AM)


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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: dorkus]
    #3876557 - 03/06/05 11:27 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

According to Sri Swami egghead,  :wink: Space is nothing, but that nothing is pregnant with the infinite possiblilty for anything to appear. From nothing anything can manifest, but anything that manifests must eventually dissolve back into the space from which it came. Unless of course that energy simply changes and manifests into something else which equally shares the same empty nature.

A wise sage once whispered to me "Sing in the void", and so i sang a song of silence. :heart:


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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: egghead1]
    #3877212 - 03/06/05 02:46 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Nothing is always denoted by the existence and/or absence of something... which gives it the status of something. As for making something, the same could be applied under that train of though. e.g. you can't create something if you don't believe that the creation of the absence of something, is indeed something... which is indeed commonly referred to as nothing (regardless of how intangible it is).

Just remember... if you can call something nothing... it is indeed something.

Example: Fill your gas tank up with something (Gasoline); Drive around till you have nothing (an empty tank). What have you created? A so called void or absence of the former something; one could suggest you've created nothing, but you've indeed created the absence of something. Thereby creating something from nothing.


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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3877327 - 03/06/05 03:25 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

no such thing as NoThing.?


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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3877351 - 03/06/05 03:28 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

The unspoken empty nature has no name, as that space is indescribable.


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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3877358 - 03/06/05 03:29 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Does thinking count as creating something out of the void?


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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: uriahchase]
    #3877798 - 03/06/05 04:51 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

uriahchase said:
no such thing as NoThing.?




If you can describe ANYTHING, in terms of SOMETHING, even as it were denoted as NOTHING... is it not still SOMETHING? To describe ANYTHING is to refer it to as SOMETHING even if it were persay NOTHING.

So, I present you to you a simple visualization:
I connect my thumb to my index finger, and I ask you what is contained within the confined area?

Yes, nothing is in their... or is it something? The absence of something tangible, or is it air.. or is it space, or is it what is contained within the enclosed area? All in all, i'm convinced that something is indeed their.


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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3877818 - 03/06/05 04:55 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

wow, you reworded conservation of energy, you must be proud.


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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: Eightball]
    #3877826 - 03/06/05 04:57 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

:lol: not really my intention. :shrug:

Unfortuanetly I'm not proud though  :sad:

I tend to think "nothing" of it.  :tongue:


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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3879396 - 03/06/05 09:31 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I can.

Change the N in nothing to an m and add a SO to the front.

Problems like these you just gotta think outside the box.


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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: tomk]
    #3879808 - 03/06/05 10:50 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

tomk said:
I can.

Change the N in nothing to an m and add a SO to the front.

Problems like these you just gotta think outside the box.




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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3881765 - 03/07/05 09:19 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Nothing is NOT not anything, there is always something there.
So even if you are trying to make something out of nothing, you will be trying to make something out of something.  :smirk:


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Re: **FACT** ---- Not One Person Can Create SOMETHING from NOTHING.... . . . [Re: Fliquid]
    #3881795 - 03/07/05 09:49 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Change the N in nothing to an m and add a SO to the front.

= somothing???????

hmm..outside the box alright.

psychoactive1984:~there is "air,space,etc" in between the finger and thumb. no?


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Edited by uriahchase (03/07/05 09:56 AM)


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