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InvisibleSwami
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Perhaps "Nothing" Can't Exist
    #2101768 - 11/13/03 02:53 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

In a Universe with "nothing" you get a mathematical divide-by-zero error causing an overflow in which all possibilities exist simultaneously resulting in what we call the Big Bang.

Editors' note: It is just the pot talking.


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Re: Perhaps "Nothing" Can't Exist [Re: Swami]
    #2101793 - 11/13/03 03:02 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

if "nothing" can't exist, doesn't that neccessarily connote that "something" is everywhere, ie, the universe is infinite?

reminds me of a Shel Silversteen poem I used to love when I was a kid:

NOBODY

Nobody loves me
Nobody Cares
Nobody picks me peaches and pears
Nobody listens and laughs at my jokes
Nobody buys me candy and cokes
Nobody helps when I get in a fight
Nobody does all my homework at night
Nobody misses me
Nobody cries
Nobody thinks I'm a wonderful guy
So if you ask me who's my best friend, in a whiz
I stand up ant tell you that NOBODY is
But yesterday night I got quite a scare
I woke up and Nobody just wasn't there
I called out and reached for Nobody's hand
In the darkness where Nobody usually stands
Then I poked through the house in each cranny and nook
But i found SOMEBODY each place that I looked
I searched till I'm tired, and now with the dawn
There's no doubt about it-

NOBODY'S GONE!!!!!


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Re: Perhaps "Nothing" Can't Exist [Re: Swami]
    #2101963 - 11/13/03 03:49 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

Nothing = the absense of something.

I think this makes it a very relative word; Nothing.

If one says "nothing is there," technically-speaking they are not correct because it seems there's always "something" around.


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Re: Perhaps "Nothing" Can't Exist [Re: Strumpling]
    #2101975 - 11/13/03 03:52 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

I love getting really stoned and then thinking about

A) human society, housing, food, cities, hives, etc.

B) "nothingness"

Seems like whenever I reach a certain level of stondedness (usually takes a couple of blunts among friends  :grin: one of these topics inevitably comes up in my mind.  They're pretty cliche stoner topics, I admit, but there is nothing more fun than sitting around with intelligent people talking about "nothing." 


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Re: Perhaps "Nothing" Can't Exist [Re: Swami]
    #2101986 - 11/13/03 03:56 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

Black holes are where God divided by zero....  :smirk:


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Re: Perhaps "Nothing" Can't Exist [Re: Annom]
    #2102141 - 11/13/03 04:33 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

nothing is still a something. So nothing could be there, but that very nothingness is a something. Muahahaha we as humans will never get past the corcular paradox of thinking metaphorically.

Not to mention when we confused symbols and ideas with "actual reality" we run into problems of course. I think the more complex the questions and answers we come up with get, the more mental disease we will see rise amongst human kind. Keeping things simple seems to get us just as far, and makes up waste a lot less time.


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Re: Perhaps "Nothing" Can't Exist [Re: caolite]
    #2102705 - 11/13/03 07:32 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

Well, I'm not so sure about that. I mean, the more complex things get, the more LIKELY it is for things to go wrong and such, but the benefit is also greater.

Like, it is a lot easier to be in a conversation on MSN with someone and type with one hand and say all sorts of abreviated words and everything, but the sacrifice is clarity and expression. I type the same way in my conversations online as I do on here. I like to express myself the way that I think. It is complex and takes a bit more time and a fast movement for both hands, but I am clear. People understand what I am saying.

I look at advancement of civilization like this: the same person that performed the duty of blacksmith back in the day now has his work (it is a lot more advanced now of course) branched out into a more complex system of factories that only assemble one part and shit like that. Things have branched out.

The one little twig known as our civilization has now grown into a full grown tree trunk and has little branches and twigs everywhere. And leaves and flowers and maybe even some fruit. :grin:

So yeah. The more advanced we get, the more possible it is for us to really fuck up shit. But our network is so much more complex, and that bears a lot of fruit as well.

It all comes down to perspective, I guess...
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Re: Perhaps "Nothing" Can't Exist [Re: Swami]
    #2102801 - 11/13/03 08:08 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

If you define nothing as no-thing it becomes the condition from which some-thing may or may not manifest.Question being,can a state of no-thing exist? It has not been "observed" as yet as a part of reality but since by definition it is no-thing it does not exist in reality as in reality either a thing is or is not.
Now since some-thing is a consensual fact then as it's opposite we have no-thing which we have shown to be unable to exist in reality it therefore must exist in not-reality.
This is the implicit universe from which by paths of least resistance our explicit universe of some-thing is expressed.
Swami you have just flirted with a pragmatic roadblock think about what I have said and see if you do not see the implication which "nothing" leads to.
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Re: Perhaps "Nothing" Can't Exist [Re: whiterasta]
    #2104133 - 11/14/03 01:18 AM (13 years, 23 days ago)

PS.Swami a thought is nothing, it has the potential to become some thing. or not but unless the potential is applied a thought remains nothing and per above not real until manifested. Also per above thought comes from the same not-reality that no-thing can exist in.The implied universe.
PPS Sclorch you may wish to absorb some of this to help with your post on the fear of the "uncause"
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Re: Perhaps "Nothing" Can't Exist [Re: whiterasta]
    #2104267 - 11/14/03 02:02 AM (13 years, 23 days ago)

Perhaps it is a mistake to make a distinction between Something and Nothing/No-thing. Perhaps they are the same thing.
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Re: Perhaps "Nothing" Can't Exist [Re: Swami]
    #2104909 - 11/14/03 05:23 AM (13 years, 23 days ago)

Nothing implies something. I think reality is the confluence of nothing and something, or more precisely, the confluence of nothing and everything.

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Re: Perhaps "Nothing" Can't Exist [Re: Joshua]
    #2105140 - 11/14/03 07:56 AM (13 years, 23 days ago)

I think I have nothing more to say.....
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Re: Perhaps "Nothing" Can't Exist [Re: Swami]
    #2105619 - 11/14/03 11:47 AM (13 years, 22 days ago)

Well, by the definition of nothing, it is a lack of something. So if something exists everywhere, there can be no "nothing", right? But by definition, "nothing" is the lack of "something". And everything is "something", so there isn't anything in the universe that is "nothing." But doesn't this fulfill the definition of nothing as being the lack of something? If there was "nothing", it would not exist, thereby confirming our definition of its existence.

I'm trying not to babble. I truly tried to explain my thoughts.


Edited by RedNukleus (11/14/03 11:49 AM)


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