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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: Comradez]
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Comradez said:
The tl;dr version (included due to popular demand):

When trying to buy some psychedelics, I failed at trying to convince some hippies that I wasn't a police informant.  I felt like a psych ward patient trying to futilely convince his psychiatrist that he wasn't crazy.  It was disturbing and made me reflect on the question of how anyone can ever trust anyone.

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Full version with details:

Fuck it, nobody in the pub is going to read it. 


This kinda thread is how I get drug connections in the pub too, we're a sneaky bunch.:derfase:


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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: teamkiller]
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Thanks for the advice everyone.  I don't think I'm gonna bother with that place anymore.  There are many other places in the city where I might as well hang out at, where I don't have to worry about paranoid dealers being all weird around me.  (And to reiterate, I understand to some extent where they are coming from.  There's no way I'd be able to handle the paranoia.  I'd probably turn even more people off).


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They say that life's a carousel / Spinning fast, you've got to ride it well / The world is full of kings and queens / Who blind your eyes and steal your dreams / It's heaven and hell - Ronnie James Dio (RIP) :headbanger:

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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: Comradez]
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just curious where are you having your break at? trying to get an idea for where your at? you can say city if you want but if not how bout a state and if its a major city or jsut some small under 500,000 pop place?


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“Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.”- Dr. Seuss

"Too much of a good thing, can be wonderful!" - Mae West

"If you have nothing nice to say about anyone, come sit next to me."
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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: Comradez]
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The crazy thing is, even right now I'm thinking to myself, "How can I trust that they trust that I'm not a cop on the shroomery right now?"  I can't.  Maybe you all think that I really am a cop just trying to get feedback on group infiltration techniques.  Man, this drug war is FUCKED UP!  This is the sort of train of thought where it inevitably leads.


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They say that life's a carousel / Spinning fast, you've got to ride it well / The world is full of kings and queens / Who blind your eyes and steal your dreams / It's heaven and hell - Ronnie James Dio (RIP) :headbanger:

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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: Rewindicus]
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Rewindicus said:
just curious where are you having your break at? trying to get an idea for where your at? you can say city if you want but if not how bout a state and if its a major city or jsut some small under 500,000 pop place?


It's a major city in southern california.  Yeah, I know I should be able to find psychedelics elsewhere if I looked, but this whole episode has really unsettled me and shot my social confidence.  That's the really crummy part.  It's not even about the psychedelics anymore.  I've reconciled myself with the idea of not getting any this whole trip.


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They say that life's a carousel / Spinning fast, you've got to ride it well / The world is full of kings and queens / Who blind your eyes and steal your dreams / It's heaven and hell - Ronnie James Dio (RIP) :headbanger:

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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: Comradez]
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well good then! just try to make friends and see what happens! and chek out metromix for shit goin on around town lol.


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"Too much of a good thing, can be wonderful!" - Mae West

"If you have nothing nice to say about anyone, come sit next to me."
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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: Rewindicus]
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It sounds to me like you're biggest mistake was trying too hard to insert yourself into a particular clique of people.

Honestly, I'm terrible at socializing and making new connections. I went to a regional burn last year by myself expecting to meet lots of cool people and get hook up with some doses like at any other decent festival, and everyone was super paranoid even though I was trying to be genuine and friendly, sharing my heady beer with everyone, and trying to be chill before asking about any drugs. Didn't matter though...

I feel like my typical mistake would be just the opposite of yours; trying too hard to NOT look like I was trying too hard to join a group or network, etc. In the end it's just me being afraid to be like "yo, I wanna chill with you and blaze, can you hook up the herb?"

There always needs to be a pretext for socialization, whether it's dancing, music, drinking, drugs, religion, whatever... there needs to be a pretext. And you're pretext was obviously that you were looking for drugs rather than that you were just looking for new friends, which nobody likes as a pretext.


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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
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Nunbuh_Chrubble said:
It sounds to me like you're biggest mistake was trying too hard to insert yourself into a particular clique of people.

Honestly, I'm terrible at socializing and making new connections. I went to a regional burn last year by myself expecting to meet lots of cool people and get hook up with some doses like at any other decent festival, and everyone was super paranoid even though I was trying to be genuine and friendly, sharing my heady beer with everyone, and trying to be chill before asking about any drugs. Didn't matter though...

I feel like my typical mistake would be just the opposite of yours; trying too hard to NOT look like I was trying too hard to join a group or network, etc. In the end it's just me being afraid to be like "yo, I wanna chill with you and blaze, can you hook up the herb?"

There always needs to be a pretext for socialization, whether it's dancing, music, drinking, drugs, religion, whatever... there needs to be a pretext. And you're pretext was obviously that you were looking for drugs rather than that you were just looking for new friends, which nobody likes as a pretext.


Right.  I knew that if I didn't just go up to them and break the ice, I would have never gotten to talk to them...usually that's my drawback.  I never approach people, and I just waste away in loneliness.  So this time I was like, "Fuck it.  Get over your shyness, and go talk to those people..."

BUT...if I just went up to them randomly and started trying to be all buddy-buddy with them, they would have rightly thought, "What's up with this random dude trying to make friends with us?  Why US?"

BUT...if I'm honest and admit that I'm interested in psychedelics, then that's probably gonna make them paranoid too. 

It's a no-win situation that I just should have never even tried to make happen, in hindsight.


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They say that life's a carousel / Spinning fast, you've got to ride it well / The world is full of kings and queens / Who blind your eyes and steal your dreams / It's heaven and hell - Ronnie James Dio (RIP) :headbanger:

Edited by Comradez (06/29/11 03:00 AM)

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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: Comradez]
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You're just thinking about it too much. When approached by a random stranger, most people don't assume this person is trying to make friends. They assume he needs something, IE directions, the time, or drug contacts. You just have to make sure you're asking in the right place.

This post is totally unironic, BTW. I've gone through the same shit you're describing, and then I figured out this is how it works. Honestly there is nothing wrong with people thinking you're a "snitch." What are they gonna do, report the snitch to the police? Psychedelics dealers aren't like coke dealers, they don't carry guns.


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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: Comradez]
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I think this thread is really interesting.

comrade, most people i know into psychedelics aren't paranoid at all about it.  I don't think its a no win expressing your interest in it.


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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: teamkiller]
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mkiller...i think thats just it - you know them. they dont know this guy and his execution at trying to gain trust with them failed. This like any social situation is trial and error you probably wont do the same things you did this time the next time your in a similar situation hell you could do this exactly the same with another group of people and be welcomed in open armed humans are funny animals that way you just gotta learn from everything and keep experimenting!


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“Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.”- Dr. Seuss

"Too much of a good thing, can be wonderful!" - Mae West

"If you have nothing nice to say about anyone, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth




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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: teamkiller]
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Ehh, I probably would have been like "Hey I'm in the area for the summer visiting my sister. What kind of shit is there to do around here?" and hoped they named things they did and just would have gone to those things that I hopefully would be interested in and made friends with them that way.

edit: i've never tried to get hook ups from random people though.

Edited by IamMatt (06/29/11 03:23 AM)

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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: IamMatt]
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sorry to hear that it did not work out for you.

the long version of the story was a very good read though.


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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: Comradez]
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If your real life persona is anything like the way you type/expound upon it, your chances are slim to fate.

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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: Comradez]
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Dude you went at it in the worst way possible, you should have made your intentions clear right  after a introductory chat. Randomly showing up to a group of strangers multiple days in a row is stalkerish and gives off a creepy/desperate vibe. I would have done the same thing they did given the circumstance.

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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Now thats a mind fuck!


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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: ModularMind]
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ModularMind said:
If your real life persona is anything like the way you type/expound upon it, your chances are slim to fate.










Only thing that ever needed to be said

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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Dude you went at it in the worst way possible, you should have made your intentions clear right  after a introductory chat. Randomly showing up to a group of strangers multiple days in a row is stalkerish and gives off a creepy/desperate vibe. I would have done the same thing they did given the circumstance.


Bodhi of Ankou said:
ModularMind said:
If your real life persona is anything like the way you type/expound upon it, your chances are slim to fate.




Only thing that ever needed to be said

/thread


Haha, probably too true.  That's just the way I am, though.  Before I got into psychedelics, I used to read and write a lot on anarchist political theory and Marxism, so that's largely how I developed a writing style that tends to be a little...academic-sounding?  Oh, and I had to write lots of history papers at Harvard, so that probably hasn't helped either.  I don't talk or dress like a typical psychedelic enthusiast, and that probably did not help my cause, I guess. 

Also, if I came across as creepy/stalkerish, that's probably because deep down I felt like that a bit.  I'm going through a period in my life right now where it seems like I don't have any friends, even in my hometown anymore.  I have no idea what the fuck happened.  I graduate from Harvard, come back home, and nobody I used to know ever wants to hang out (assuming they are still in town in the first place).  So I've left my Harvard buddies, I've got to make new hometown buddies for some reason (which I'm not really good at...perhaps because my social desperation shines through).  Then I come out here, and I don't know anyone here either.  I'm just fucking sick of being alone and having to hang out with family all the time (although my family is great, but still...I hate that they are the only ones that really understand me, aside from two old college friends whom I don't get to see hardly ever).  Jesus Christ, what is wrong with me?


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They say that life's a carousel / Spinning fast, you've got to ride it well / The world is full of kings and queens / Who blind your eyes and steal your dreams / It's heaven and hell - Ronnie James Dio (RIP) :headbanger:

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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: Rewindicus]
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Rewindicus said:
mkiller...i think thats just it - you know them. they dont know this guy and his execution at trying to gain trust with them failed. This like any social situation is trial and error you probably wont do the same things you did this time the next time your in a similar situation hell you could do this exactly the same with another group of people and be welcomed in open armed humans are funny animals that way you just gotta learn from everything and keep experimenting!


Yes, I guess at least I tried something, so I know next time what won't work.  It's better than my usual strategy of not doing anything at all.


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They say that life's a carousel / Spinning fast, you've got to ride it well / The world is full of kings and queens / Who blind your eyes and steal your dreams / It's heaven and hell - Ronnie James Dio (RIP) :headbanger:

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Re: Trying to buy illegal drugs is a disturbing mindfuck [Re: Comradez]
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comrades.....sounds like you need to move away from home. if you got a harvard degree in anything it surely shouldnt be hard finding a job in one of the big cities ..... LA+SD/ New york/ Chicago/ Boston? Get out make new friends!


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“Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.”- Dr. Seuss

"Too much of a good thing, can be wonderful!" - Mae West

"If you have nothing nice to say about anyone, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth




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