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Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. 1
#14563757 - 06/05/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I got into a long conversation last night with a guy who worked in journalism in Afghanistan, and has also done work in warn-torn African nations and in Pakistan. He told me absolutely crazy things about what he saw in Afghanistan.
For one thing, he said he saw firsthand, dozens of times, private security forces clear towns by going from building to building, using technology that can find the electric signals emitted by beating hearts, to locate all the people inside the building without entering, and snipe them all. And he said almost without fail these buildings turned out to be full of women and children. He said he was amazed that the U.S. govt. gave him and other journalists access to so many instances of wholesale murder of innocents, and he and his colleagues assumed this was because it wasn't even close to the worst of what was going on. He also said that the frequent footage people with him sent in of extremely intense firefights and dead civilians never once made it to major news media coverage.
He told me a lot more about his experiences that I don't want to go into, and I confirmed via the Interwebz that he had really been to the places he said. He was really young but had seen tons of unspeakably awful things, in Afghanistan and in Africa. Talking to him made me want to do something worthwhile with my life instead of just wasting it idly moving from one pursuit to the next.
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: Lion] 3
#14563792 - 06/05/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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dude was yanking your chain
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14563817 - 06/05/11 09:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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forsurez. war is full of roses and teacups, right?
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: memes]
#14563855 - 06/05/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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no. but you cant tell me a reporter that's witnessing a fuckload of deaths of unarmed civilians based on a radar vital statistics monitor isnt going find some way of getting the story published especially when sites like wikileaks existed... not to mention that this device he's described is still in development and would require a truck which would mean constant communication between the operator and the troops, after the first shots are fire the rest of the village would be armed and firing back or would be escaping the slaughter... logistically, this would be a nightmare for ground forces
the developer of this device works with someone I know, the guys name is Eugene Greckner or something and he's currently based in powder springs, he was with Georgia Tech Research when he came up with it and it's capable of reading 5 meters and solid walls like found in many homes and buildings in Afghanistan would severely limit it's abilities
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14564130 - 06/05/11 10:55 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is possible the military hasn't kept you up to par with their technological advances
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: twighead]
#14564153 - 06/05/11 11:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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it's also possible that I still have clearance and friends in the military
why didnt this reporter get his story out? there's thousands of sources inside and outside the US that would have payed well for a story like that
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14564187 - 06/05/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: Devlish2]
#14564203 - 06/05/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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so ur saying our military shoots at anything with a beating heart?
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14564219 - 06/05/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: it's also possible that I still have clearance and friends in the military
why didnt this reporter get his story out? there's thousands of sources inside and outside the US that would have payed well for a story like that
If it was true, some mainstream outlet would pick up on it. Or he's afraid to go public but has no problem telling a stranger?
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: FeedingMyDreams]
#14564225 - 06/05/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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maybe hes just not that proactive?
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: Devlish2]
#14564227 - 06/05/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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this video shows that over a 5 year span 600 civilians were killed, it's called collateral damage, it happens but lets ask an important question, why does Iraq body Count and other sources show between 100,000 and 1,000,000 civilian casualties
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: Coaster]
#14564228 - 06/05/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Coaster said: so ur saying our military shoots at anything with a beating heart?
Where did I say that?
The documentary I posted is a good video to watch if you want to know more about iraqi civilian casualties caused by the war on terror.
Watch it if you want.
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: Coaster]
#14564232 - 06/05/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Coaster said: maybe hes just not that proactive?
Dang those silly journalist keeping the news to themselves and some internet posters.
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: FeedingMyDreams]
#14564237 - 06/05/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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journalist and soldiers work together and have comradeship and dont tell on each other
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: FeedingMyDreams]
#14564239 - 06/05/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: it's also possible that I still have clearance and friends in the military
why didnt this reporter get his story out? there's thousands of sources inside and outside the US that would have payed well for a story like that
If it was true, some mainstream outlet would pick up on it. Or he's afraid to go public but has no problem telling a stranger?
that's my point, the story doesnt add up, I've never known of a war correspondent to not keep copies, back in the day it was the negatives, these days it's digital which means many copies can be made from the same data and stored in hundreds of places simultaneously
if I'd seen what this guy had you better believe I'd have it on the front page of every american hating news source in a matter of hours
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: Coaster]
#14564240 - 06/05/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Coaster said: journalist and soldiers work together and have comradeship and dont tell on each other
bullshit
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14564252 - 06/05/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: why didnt this reporter get his story out?
NDA's and fear, according to him.
He told me a lot of crazy things. I'm not saying 100% that most of it is true. Maybe he's a pathological liar, but a lot of it sounded credible to me, and as I said, he definitely went to the places he's said.
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14564264 - 06/05/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Coaster said: journalist and soldiers work together and have comradeship and dont tell on each other
bullshit
i heard they live in the same quarters
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: FeedingMyDreams]
#14564295 - 06/05/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Although I don't doubt stuff like this occurs frequently, it's hard for me to believe our military would do so on stage for the media. If he wanted to get the info out, he could. Like Pris said, there is too much opposition for this war in particular for the evidence to just wash away.
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Re: Crazy conversation last night about War in Afghanistan, et al. [Re: Lion]
#14564298 - 06/05/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lion said:
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Prisoner#1 said: why didnt this reporter get his story out?
NDA's and fear, according to him.
He told me a lot of crazy things. I'm not saying 100% that most of it is true. Maybe he's a pathological liar, but a lot of it sounded credible to me, and as I said, he definitely went to the places he's said.
I didn't read this book but I saw the author on the Daily Show.
Apparently, there are more crazy people out there than you think: http://www.amazon.com/Psychopath-Test-Journey-Through-Industry/dp/1594488010
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