Sprezzatura said:

I agree with Akira, communal living is no more 'Free' than living in modern society, it just creates the illusion of freedom because certain everyday luxuries are expelled(or suspended it seems) from the equation. You're still subject to the laws of the land and a code of ethics and morals from the community, whether you adhere simultaneously to their principles or not, you're still under their legislation.

Your chances of obtaining freedom on planet earth is scant, my recommendations would be to acquire a mode of intergalactic space travel and live on an earth-like planet in the Andromeda Galaxy, which is no more a fairy tale than living free in a commune in Hawaii.

*Reality Check*

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You're still subject to the laws of the land and a code of ethics and morals from the community, whether you adhere simultaneously to their principles or not, you're still under their legislation.

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MisterMuscaria said:

Be weary of the guys selling ayahuasca.

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Sprezzatura said:

Moth,

I didn't mean to come off as a total asshole, I don't have anything
against you... didn't want to give that impression, if you think this experience is life enriching, hey man, that's cool, do it well

I do have a question for you that you may find "stimulating" in your search to answer it, if you so choose to:

'What's the Real Reason you're doing this?'

I admit... my curiosity has grown.

Cheers.

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AsAboveSoBelow said:

Sprezzatura said:

I agree with Akira, communal living is no more 'Free' than living in modern society, it just creates the illusion of freedom because certain everyday luxuries are expelled(or suspended it seems) from the equation. You're still subject to the laws of the land and a code of ethics and morals from the community, whether you adhere simultaneously to their principles or not, you're still under their legislation.

Your chances of obtaining freedom on planet earth is scant, my recommendations would be to acquire a mode of intergalactic space travel and live on an earth-like planet in the Andromeda Galaxy, which is no more a fairy tale than living free in a commune in Hawaii.

*Reality Check*

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uh she works 4 hours a week, and thats only if she stays at the commune. In the matrix she'd be working 40 hours or more a week and have to worry about bills and other bullshit all the time.

Saying that communal living is "no more free" than modern living is an insane statement imo

And dude, you make it sound like there's a bunch of red tape involved with communal living

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it's the same thing but just... away from bigger pits of people.

that's all it seems to me. but moth, here, likes to seclude herself into even deeper denizens...

making her awesome and these questions all the more prevalent. 

Sprezzatura said:

I suppose it depends on the commune you're living at (the one I stayed at for a little while sucked) but come on man, don't be naive, you're going to be following rules in a serious commune.

Freedom is subjective really, because working 40 hours a week & saving up to start a business is closer to freedom, in my opinion, than the devolution of 'primitive-esque' communal living in the jungle.

I didn't mean for my statement to sound deliberately condescending or offensive, (though I can see how that could be interpreted), merely to exhibit a little opposition to the popularized idea that having less = freedom.

I'm for evolution and advancement; as individuals, as societies, and as a collective human race. Some of the ills and adversity evolution creates cannot, practically, be cured through the methodology of rejecting & dismantling evolution, but through methods of further evolving.   
If people want to live in the woods as a personal preference or to be an adventurer and have fun, hey man, that's cool in my book.  When the idea that communal living and rejection of modern society, however, is proposed as the solution to the problems of evolution and will result in freedom I have to pull the card.  To me, the idea of reverting back to primitiveness is a huge insult to our species' intellect, our ability to adapt, the fundamental basis of what distinguishes us as humans, and all our progress and achievements we as a whole have executed over the centuries.

Think. Evolve. Progress.

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