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Shroom flashback
    #1392217 - 03/19/03 05:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

okay this has been going on for quit some time. It actually occured a few minutes ago as well and that is what inspired me to write this.
Okay, the 4 or 5 time i did shrooms i had a very.very,very bad trip(borderline insane). I was alone and it was all good until for some reason it went bad and i layed there just going insane for about 4 hours!, i do not exactly remember what happend but it traumitized me, it took me about 3 hours after the mush. wore off to come to reality and stop panniking(i do not know from what)
Anyways now once in a while out of no where i get this felling(the same feeling of fear and something else that i cant describe as on the bad trip), it makes me remeber the bad trip but not enought to describe it. it is just a very very bad feeling. This general last for about 10min, which after i need time to get back to reality about 1 or 2 min.

My question is why is this happening and what can i do to stop it, and does anyone ekse get these horrible flash backs.

btw the mush where home grown b+, i think i took like 1-3g, (i gave these to others who usually take atleast 3.5 and they triped harder on one gram than they have ever triped)


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Re: Shroom flashback [Re: ]
    #1392245 - 03/19/03 05:19 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

My perception on tripping is it brings out stuff thats inside of you and if its bad you have bad trips. Now that this is happening IMO is that some bad stuff is coming out and the only thing you can relate this to is that bad trip. Now I could be completly wrong its just a thought.


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Re: Shroom flashback [Re: fee]
    #1392255 - 03/19/03 05:22 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i think the best way i can describe the feeling is like this: I get the exact same feeling of anxiety/fear that i had during the peak of the trip, this comes out of nowhere and goes away after i snap myself out of it. it is horrible and i am considering see a pro about it but am not sure who to approuch


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Re: Shroom flashback [Re: ]
    #1392502 - 03/19/03 06:45 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

See I think this isn't a flashback of the mushrooms, it is a "flashback" of what triggered your freakout while you were ON the mushrooms..... this type of "anxiety" or whatever you want to call it seems to be common among those who have had frightening/"bad" trips... Its like "OK There's nothing wrong, everything's going well....... Everything's still going very well, nothing has gone wrong.......... Shit! Has something gone wrong?... no ok everything's still going very well.. nothing's gone wrong... FUCK! WHY DID I THINK SOMETHING WAS WRONG? WHY WOULD ANYTHING BE WRONG? WHAT THE HELL AM I GOING CRAZY OR WHAT? NOTHING BAD IS HAPPENING SO WHY DO I KEEP THINKING SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED?!"

I don't know if anybody's connecting with what I'm trying to express up there, but its like IN LOOKING for something to go bad, you realize that the only bad thing was the fact that you were LOOKING for a negative. This isn't very bad at all, but since you're looking for something to have gone wrong, you find out that the question "what's wrong" has the power to create a wrong that exists only in your mind.

Getting back from this state, for me anyway, was as simple as stepping back from my thought-process (I'll admit: easier said than done on shrooms..) and thinking to myself "ok man the only thing wrong here is that you're sitting here trying to figure out whats wrong when there's nothing wrong. fuckin relax, get some water, and lets reboot this trip, you ignorant mammal, you."

Does this relate at all to what you were talking about?


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Re: Shroom flashback [Re: Strumpling]
    #1392796 - 03/19/03 08:08 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

It definitely relates to what my experience has been the past few times that I've tipped. I don't know what it is, but I know that I will listen to myself next time I think maybe eating mushrooms isn't the best idea. I do think that what you said describes very accurately what I feel. The last time that I had a not-so-good experience, I tried to step back early and tell myself that I was being stupid. (Background: I had an auditory hallucination of a siren and a door slamming, and subsequently convinced myself that I would be arrested that night for what I had in my closet - mushies of course). I tried and tried to get myself out of it, but I just couldn't do it. I told my friend to tell me that I wasn't going to be arrested, and it helped a bit, but I still had an amazingly intense feeling of foreboding ( much stronger than anything I've ever experienced before or since) and I just couldn't shake it. I ended up puking about 8 times, the last 3 being pure water that I was drinking, just to get the mushies out of me. I felt a bit better after that, but it was still there. I decided to take the easy way out and just ride it out while watching TV on my couch.

I know that what caused my bad trip was the guilt/fear/stress that I get from growing fruits. It was also weighing very heavily on my mind at that time, more than usual (this is what I meant when I said ". . .but I know that I will listen to myself next time I think maybe eating mushrooms isn't the best idea" above). I think, however, that my problem with always thinking that something is wrong was just manifesting itself in this manner. I'm not sure why this happens. I think I need to have a really good trip to see that there still is beauty in it, and then this problem will be left behind. I don't know, but I guess all I can do is either keep trying or decide to leave it behind for good.

Edit -- I just thought of two things
1. I analyze WAAAAAAAY too much. I think waaaay too much about everything. Maybe this is the biggest problem?
2. Sorry for the off-topic (this entire post).


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Edited by shroominbloom (03/19/03 08:11 PM)


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Re: Shroom flashback [Re: Strumpling]
    #1392870 - 03/19/03 08:27 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

OK There's nothing wrong, everything's going well....... Everything's still going very well, nothing has gone wrong.......... Shit! Has something gone wrong?... no ok everything's still going very well.. nothing's gone wrong... FUCK! WHY DID I THINK SOMETHING WAS WRONG? WHY WOULD ANYTHING BE WRONG? WHAT THE HELL AM I GOING CRAZY OR WHAT? NOTHING BAD IS HAPPENING SO WHY DO I KEEP THINKING SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED?!

sound like my first (and only so far, a second to be very very soon though) trip.

im not sure if i every snapped out of it though. i had never been so scared in my life, and that is what interests me so much about shrooms, i cant wait to experince it again.
ive had about 2 flashbacks since (one while driving = BAD)

i think its important (i speak from LACK of experience however, so hear what you will) not to try and focus on how to RID it from you, but rather to seek it out and understand it

its there whether you like it or not. speak to it, you may just get an answer.


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Re: Shroom flashback [Re: shroominbloom]
    #1392946 - 03/19/03 08:53 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

shroominbloom,

"I had an auditory hallucination of a siren and a door slamming, and subsequently convinced myself that I would be arrested"...."my problem with always thinking that something is wrong was just manifesting itself in this manner. I'm not sure why this happens."

You know I think the "war on drugs" has a much larger impact on this type of thing than many people realize.... the more I think about it the more I see how the 'war' doesn't just try to keep people from getting into drugs, it tries to make it so that once somebody DOES try drugs, they don't get the real experience because the "drugs are bad" "don't do drugs" "just say no" "you'll die" "your eyes will bleed" "you will be outcasted from society and nobody will ever love you" type of propaganda is ENGRAINED into your brain at a VERY EARLY age.... just like how people are raised with various cultural and religious and other things rubbing off onto them from school and parenting, this attitude gets its roots in way before the drugs do :wink: So you take the drug and its like holy FUCK THIS IS FUCKING AMAZING.. you don't want anything to catch you off guard to turn you into an example of "drugs are bad" and "don't do drugs" so a very primal paranoia sets in :wink:

Don't worry if you're experiencing it.... I've gone through thinking the cops were about to bust in and ruin my good time, thinking my parents were about to waltz in and ruin my good time, thinking my friend had just flipped his top and was going to kill me, thereby ruining my good time; just all sorts of paranoid things.. and like I had said if I couldn't find anything wrong, I'd just trip out on the fact that "i THINK something's wrong." Its almost like you punishing yourself for doing these nasty dirty drugs, before you've learned what they're all about and you're still just doing it out of sheer forbidden curiosity. It all passed, though, after a few trips, and now I've learned to bust right through those buzzkill deja-vu loop-trips the instant they're detected forming on the outskirts of my brainscape.

Well that was MY experience, anyway.. lol quite a rant I squeezed out up there.. oh man I've still got more stuff to reply too as well..

"1. I analyze WAAAAAAAY too much. I think waaaay too much about everything. Maybe this is the biggest problem?
2. Sorry for the off-topic (this entire post)."

Well hey.... me too :smile:

enacid,

"its there whether you like it or not. speak to it, you may just get an answer."

excellent quote :smile:


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Re: Shroom flashback [Re: ]
    #1394165 - 03/20/03 06:10 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

It seems like you are suffering from PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder).
This is caused by your traumatizing experience while tripping. If you want to do something about it maybe it's a good idea to get professional help.

cya and take care


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Re: Shroom flashback [Re: justthiz]
    #1394186 - 03/20/03 06:19 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

(to asd......)
so...
are you taking your niacinamide pills?
if not, why not?


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Re: Shroom flashback [Re: gnrm23]
    #1394656 - 03/20/03 08:45 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

what are those. pills. i have never seen a doctor.

btw today at school i had the worst one yet, it lasted lik 10min


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Re: Shroom flashback [Re: Strumpling]
    #1394846 - 03/20/03 10:07 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I definitely agree with your sentiments on the drug war. I try not to let it get to me, and I try not to care what others feel about drugs, but the fact remains that drugs are illegal. I think this gives me an overall foreboding whenever I trip or even smoke pot for that matter. I think I might take enacid's advice though; that really is a great quote. I think that I am beyond the curious "this is fun" stage, but I still have some lingering problems. I think for my next trip I will stop trying so hard to (figuratively) see what I want to see and allow myself to be taken where I am supposed to go. I've always heard that to have no expectations while tripping allows you to experience some amazing things.


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Re: Shroom flashback [Re: ]
    #1395096 - 03/20/03 11:58 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

dude your attitude is completely twisted regarding these occurances..

"worst" one yet? Have you considered that its only bad if you want it to be? Next time "one" is happening, try RELAXING and breathing and ACCEPTING whatever feeling is coming to you, instead of freaking out and fighting it. The more relaxed you are, the more relaxed "it" will become - you can learn to get rid of this without drugs, but hey if you wanna pop the pills and just deal with the REAL problem later, then go for it. I think a doctor is just going to give you some drugs to suppress whatever it is your brain is trying to express to you.

And shroominbloom,

there you go.... it sounds like you're relaxing a bit :smile: On your next trip man just relax and pay attention to whatever is presented, let it flow by. If its something that bothers you, just make note that it caught you off guard and that everything's still cool - if you stress out about any bad thought you have on a trip, the whole rest of the trip will branch from that bad thought and you'll be stuck thinking about bad crap for a while :wink: Just let them go by - gotta take the good with the bad, ya know? Shrooms couldn't be as impactful as they are if they didn't spook people occasionally :cool: - hell, its the same way with life itself.... if one learns to relax right near the beginning of any type of anxiety attack, it will be way easier on them than if they were to freak out and start panicing. Its the freak-out that is "bad," not the actual thing that caused the freak-out - just work on not getting freaked-out about anything and this phenomenon will start to disappear. that was MY experience anyway, and very similar to my best friend's as well, which is all I can go by really..


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Edited by Strumpling (03/20/03 12:06 PM)


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Re: Shroom flashback [Re: ]
    #1395132 - 03/20/03 12:08 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

btw today at school i had the worst one yet, it lasted lik 10min

I'd go see a doctor. Whatever is wrong with you it sounds like a far deeper problem than flashbacks from taking mushrooms.


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Re: Shroom flashback [Re: Xlea321]
    #1395160 - 03/20/03 12:19 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

it is like an anxiety thing, i had them a while back and they stoped for a few months then yesterday they came back, i had one earlier today but now they seem to have stoped.

it is not like i get paralized but more like out of no where(usually when i am stressed out) i just get this feeling of panic, it is horrible it is the exact same feeling that i had when on the bad trip, and most of the time during these episodes i remeber the trip that went so wrong. Usually i get rid of them by calming myself down. which for some reason was very hard today.


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Re: Shroom flashback [Re: ]
    #1395188 - 03/20/03 12:25 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Actually that sounds just like a panic attack.
http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/panic.html

does that sound about right?

Some people just get these for no reason- and if you had one while tripping it would definitely make the trip go very bad, and also create a mental link between the mushroom trip and the feelings later.


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Re: Shroom flashback [Re: Xibalba]
    #1395214 - 03/20/03 12:34 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I've suffered from panic attacks and anxiety since childhood, and have learned to quell these things through relaxation and breathing, kind of before they really even start now.... I used to consider it as my brain feeling the need to "puke."


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Re: Shroom flashback [Re: Xibalba]
    #1395241 - 03/20/03 12:41 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i have the following syptoms from the list.

* racing heartbeat- not sure never measured
* difficulty breathing, feeling as though you 'can't get enough air'- kind of, i was trying to breath harder but it was not the same feeling as not having air
* terror that is almost paralyzing- yes
* dizziness, lightheadedness or nausea-dizziness and lightheadedness
* trembling, sweating, shaking-non
* choking, chest pains-non
* hot flashes, or sudden chills-no
* tingling in fingers or toes ('pins and needles')-no
* fear that you're going to go crazy or are about to die - not going to die but extrem fear of something, but not sure what

btw thanks for the link


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Re: Shroom flashback [Re: ]
    #1395244 - 03/20/03 12:42 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

oh yah, i dont have a fear of leaving the house either


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