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State-sanctioned medical treatment?
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When should the government's belief about medical treatment supercede that of the parents of a sick or injured child?

And should parents be prosecuted for failure to comply?


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Re: State-sanctioned medical treatment? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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that is such a tricky subject when it comes to the people who believe in magic. There are the people that think they can pray to a wizard or don't believe in getting a transfusion of blood to heal something that could be taken care of rather simply. So tricky but honestly if the parents are that dumb the kids are probably pretty dumb too so let them die.


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Re: State-sanctioned medical treatment? [Re: argg]
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But what about when the state believes in magic as is evidenced by earlier medical beliefs such as blood-letting?

What if you were part of an Indian tribe and didn't believe that shaking a rattle and blowing smoke would help your child?


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Re: State-sanctioned medical treatment? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I'd demand to see a study.  By the way, have we seen a study that establishes that it is harmful to slap people who ask stupid questions?  I posit that it may provide a public benefit enhances the general welfare.


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Re: State-sanctioned medical treatment? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
When should the government's belief about medical treatment supercede that of the parents of a sick or injured child?

And should parents be prosecuted for failure to comply?



What's the difference between the govt and the family?  Serious question.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: State-sanctioned medical treatment? [Re: Icelander]
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Gov't beliefs = majority or average of most family's beliefs

Family beliefs = minority belief which may or may not differ from the majority


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Re: State-sanctioned medical treatment? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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How is a family not a government?


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Re: State-sanctioned medical treatment? [Re: zappaisgod]
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How is a tree not a planet?


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Re: State-sanctioned medical treatment? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I've wondered about this. If your kid was born with an extra thumb, would you have it removed? I probably wouldn't.


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Re: State-sanctioned medical treatment? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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zappaisgod said:
How is a family not a government?


OrgoneConclusion said:
How is a tree not a planet?


Let me slow this down for you.

All families are governments.
Not all governments are families.
No trees are planets
No planets are trees

Capisce


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Re: State-sanctioned medical treatment? [Re: zappaisgod]
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:popcorn:

I'm not trying to incite anything here. Really, I'm learning a lot.:brucelee:


:lol: I just realized I'm actually eating popcorn while reading this. I couldn't find a good movie today.

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Re: State-sanctioned medical treatment? [Re: Icelander]
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I don't care.  Incite away.  The only person responsible for my response to your incitement is me.


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Re: State-sanctioned medical treatment? [Re: zappaisgod]
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That is, of course, how I see it. :thumbup:  OC is a pacifist however and may see it differently. :lol:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: State-sanctioned medical treatment? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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zappaisgod said:
I'd demand to see a study.  By the way, have we seen a study that establishes that it is harmful to slap people who ask stupid questions?  I posit that it may provide a public benefit enhances the general welfare.



Studies need interpretation, and especially in the past, and still today, much of medicine has incomplete or absent evidence as to efficacy.  Asking for a study only pushes the issue one increment down the line, a decision still needs to be made on the study.


OrgoneConclusion said:
When should the government's belief about medical treatment supercede that of the parents of a sick or injured child?


I think a more useful question would be when may their needs supercede those of the parents of the sick child.

I would think the answer should be when the sick child disagrees with the parents and the govenrment intends to facilitate treatment the sick child wants.

Also when the sick child is incompotent to come to a decision regarding the matter and the parents have no justified evidence in the efficacy of their chosen course and the government does have such for their chosen course.

The standards for a compotent child should be much lower than perhaps usually thought, however- certainly a forteen year old child should be compotent in such a case, usually.  I would think clear and convincing evidence that the government's treatment would help or that it may help and is part of the standard of care for that condition whilst the parents' treatment has no demonstrable efficacy approaching that of the government's treatment.

We should get away from treating children like incompotents, in my opinion, and stop treating parents as their owners.  If the kid believes jesus will save him and understands the situation, then let him choose.


And should parents be prosecuted for failure to comply?


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Re: State-sanctioned medical treatment? [Re: johnm214]
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Also when the sick child is incompotent to come to a decision regarding the matter and the parents have no justified evidence in the efficacy of their chosen course and the government does have such for their chosen course.



Well, the Indian Council had thousands of years of historical 'evidence' for the efficacy of sage brush and rattles.


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Re: State-sanctioned medical treatment? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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No they didn't.


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Re: State-sanctioned medical treatment? [Re: zappaisgod]
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It isn't necessary to imagine the world ending in fire or ice. There are two other possibilities: one is paperwork, and the other is nostalgia.
Frank Zappa


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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