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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: When the laws of physics meet science fiction [Re: DeadHearts]
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DeadHearts said:
fazdazzle said:
DieCommie said:
Many solutions to Einstein's field equations exist, that doesn't mean they are all realized in nature.


Doesn't that say something of the credulity of Einstein's field equations?


Yes it does. And some of Einsteins studies have been proven false (for lack of a better
word) anyways. Thats just how this science thing works.
Because just like when you buy a new computer or phone its outdated in no time.


Right, I understand that, but I assumed he was trying to make a point by saying that instead of merely stating a fact. That would be akin to saying "You can't go from the united states to england by car" even though you can clearly go by other means of transportation. I'm sure that's some sort of logical phallacy, but I don't know which.

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Re: When the laws of physics meet science fiction [Re: fazdazzle]
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fazdazzle said:
Screw light sabers. I had an idea as a child that if we made a sword that was only atoms in thickness at the edge it would slice through everything, like rocks, cars and easily people. I'm almost positive the technology to do this will be here in the next 10 years or so, long before any type of light saber would be possible.

As for other science fiction technologies...I've only read one science fiction book, "Pebble in the Sky," By Isaac Asimov, and a lot of the technologies seemed really unimaginative. I don't mean that in a condescending way, it's just that we *can't* imagine a lot of these things. Some things we can, but for the most part our brains just can't process what doesn't exist and what doesn't have any comparison to in our world.

It's like in this TED video I watched a while back, the speaker was talking about this technology that he thinks will supercede the internet. He first said that when the internet was coming out everyone thought it was going to be like TV but better. Obviously it's not even close to Tv now that we have it. He was smart enough to extrapolate that out and say this next technology will have some similarities to an advanced internet but it's not just going to be "the internet but better."


I do like the idea of a combination of chemistry, simple nano-scale-machines, and ferrofluids to create self-sharpening blades, but "an atom thick" is just silly and "a new internet" is kind of like trying to be the next big dot com man.

People were saying the internet was like TV but better because they weren't the people who pioneered it and had no idea what they were talking about.


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Re: When the laws of physics meet science fiction [Re: fazdazzle]
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fazdazzle said:
DieCommie said:
Many solutions to Einstein's field equations exist, that doesn't mean they are all realized in nature.


Doesn't that say something of the credulity of Einstein's field equations?


No I dont think so.  The observed behavior of nature very much falls in line with the equations.  But that doesnt not necessarily go the other way. 

A simple example, consider a chicken coop that can hold 50 chickens.  I have 4 such coops and thus can hold 200 chickens, and no more.  I then count my chickens and find I have 150.  Does this mean my math is wrong?  No, it means I have applied it wrong.  200 is not the number of chickens I have, its the capacity of chickens.  The math can describe a situation where I have anywhere between 0 and 200 chickens.  Of course reality is only one of those cases.  The rest, though permitted by the math, do not necessarily exist.

Another example is Newton's equations.  They very well describe the motion of a cannonball as it is shot out of a cannon.  They equally well describe the motion of a cannonball which spontaneously leaves the ground and flies backwards into the cannon, which doesnt happen.  Does that mean that Newton's equations are no good for describing cannonball trajectory?  No.  It means that though all classical motion is described by Newton's equations, not all of the possible equations actually have real life motion associated with them.

Mathematics maps out our observations of reality.  But the map is not the territory.

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Re: When the laws of physics meet science fiction [Re: DieCommie]
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But it makes intuitive sense that we could warp space and use that to break the light speed barrier, as well as rational mathematical sense.  That's why warp drive is one of the most commonly use science fiction concepts, because it's so readily apparent when you think about what is technologically possible. The Newton example is totally non intuitive.


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Re: When the laws of physics meet science fiction [Re: g00ru]
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Doesnt make intuitive sense to me.  Causality makes intuitive sense to me and what you mention would negate or alter our notion of causality.

In any case, science cares not for intuitive sense and it doesnt put mathematical sense above observation.

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Re: When the laws of physics meet science fiction [Re: DieCommie]
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If you apply enough energy to space you can warp it and go really fast. :shrug: seems simple enough. No causality issues. I think Carl Sagan was down with lots of these sci fi type ideas.


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Re: When the laws of physics meet science fiction [Re: g00ru]
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There are causality issues, I have worked them out myself (its pretty simple).  They are a big problem for anybody supporting faster than light travel or communication, and anybody who ignores or glosses over them doesnt know what they are talking about or is purposefully deceiving you.

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Re: When the laws of physics meet science fiction [Re: DieCommie]
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Care to explain them?


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Re: When the laws of physics meet science fiction [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
Care to explain them?


Make a post in science forum and I will walk you though it.  I have to go right now, but will have time tonight probably.

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Re: When the laws of physics meet science fiction [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
Keep believeing man. The speed of light WILL be broken!

Mathematically impossible, but if our brain can imagine it. It is possible!


If something went faster then the speed of light it would destabilize our reality and we'd all be dead . Tachyons are a bitch :P

Some brain food .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theoryWikiPedia.Your Mother

More Food !
Delicoius

Edited by HeroMike (01/18/11 03:13 PM)

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Re: When the laws of physics meet science fiction [Re: HeroMike]
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Wormhole or travel in a different dimension.

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Re: When the laws of physics meet science fiction [Re: nice1]
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I'm not sure how to reconcile the impulse-less "space drive" (As Clarke liked to put it) that relies on somehow compressing spacetime with the effects such a drive could have on causality except by postulating that such a "space drive" is not constructable.

If I had a penny for every time a layman claimed that some new scientific breakthrough was impossible, the world economy would be ruined if I made use of said funds, so I hesitate to make such grandiose claims.  Experiments that have been able to use quantum effects to transmit information, I think, have actually been successfully carried out; this throws quite a monkey wrench into the human conception of "causality" and even "reality."  The fact that we find such a discovery incompatible with our understanding of the universe suggests, but does not require, that our findings might be false, and entertaining the technologies that such findings - if true - might lead to is (i'm sure we'll all agree) quite entertaining :smile:

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