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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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True.  I won't speak to overall energy costs involved in the production of green technologies, as I am not an engineer.

However, it is very possible for humans to ADAPT.  2-3 years ago, gas prices skyrocketed.  Once they did, mass transit filled up, park n rides filled up, and people pursued alternatives.  And they did this over a matter of weeks.

The point, is that as resources dwindle, their costs will increase, and we will respond accordingly.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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According to the National Geographic Magazine January 2011 issue:

2011 7 billion
2024 8 billion
2045 9 billion
:eek:

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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: badchad]
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Sorry to interrupt kinda, but LOL this is really ironic. I just started an online "Biology & The Environment" class, and right after posting in this forum, I clicked on the first discussion question we have to respond to in my class discussion forum:

"In your own words, how would you define the term “environment? The current global population continues to increase beyond 3.3 billion people. Will our demands on the natural resources be able to sustain this exponentially growing population without causing irreversible or permanent environmental damage? "


Lol, weird. This thread is helping me. :smile:

I'm not really sure what my teacher WANTS me to say, though. I'm pretty sure it's like a given that we're supposed to say "no".


No one has to respond to this though, carry on. :thumbup:


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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: electricfeel]
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How much land does it take to hold 6 billion people? To give you an idea, consider the small nation of Japan. It has about 143,000 square miles of area. One square mile has 5280 * 5280 = 27.9 million square feet. Japan has a total of about 4 trillion square feet, enough to give each person of the earth 670 square feet. If we housed people in families of four in simple two-level buildings (8 people per building, one family of four per level), each building could be on a lot of over 5300 square feet. (Of course, I've ignored that fact that many parts of Japan would be unsuitable for dwelling places, and I've neglected the land needed for roads, parks, schools, etc.) In a land area as small as Japan, the entire population of the earth could be housed on lots of 5300 square feet, with 8 people per lot. That's smaller than the typical American lot of about 8000 square feet, but it's not unbearably small.If we insisted on American standards, with only 4 people per lot of at least 8,000 square feet, then Gale Lyle Pooley shows that an area the size of Texas plus Nevada would be adequate (op. cit., p. 93). That would make those two states less attractive, perhaps, but it would leave the rest of the world for food production, animal reserves, nature movies, Woodstock festivals, or whatever. In terms of the real resources of this planet, we are not overpopulated.



http://www.jefflindsay.com/Overpop.shtml


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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: gzuf]
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Plenty of room in Australia:yesnod:

they can't refuse everyone if we just turn up!


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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: gzuf]
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this thread should be written Depopulation immanent


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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: Muufokfok]
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personally don't see technology overcoming greed. yes we possibly could manage this issue but the top 2% would rather wall off and leave the rest to figure it out.


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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
iwasaClown said:
Have you guys ever roadtripped across any country?
There's plently of room, this is B.S., move out of the city, people.



I dont think space is the issue here. It more the fresh water... then again lets boil ocean water right? Food is no issue, ever since we managed to invent nitrogen fertilizers we can grow food for like 15 billion. As for the pollution, someone will come up with that brialliant idea.

Wait a minute.... Is there a problem????



As someone who works on a farm, take that statement, put it in your butt, and leave.

The amount of produce we can churn out will not meet global requirements if we continue to harbour massive urban populations. Have you driven across the country? Notice what most of it already is? Farmland...

You're right about the water thing though, it's the first limiting factor I think.


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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: blujay]
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THats cause we need to evolve from horizontal farming and go vertical.
Agricultural skyscrapers are the future method of food production think about it you build a 30 story tall greenhouse It feeds around 50,000 people produces year round. Power it with a geothermal turbine buried beneath it wind turbine up top and maybe some sort of system to capture the wind shear that travels up the sides of the building. Grow a different crop each floor, or you dedicate a entire building to  say wheat. Huge cuts on oil needed for transportation many more people could be employed and mills and bakeries and other wheat business would spring up around it. Perfect solution.

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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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As for water theres people churning out golden ideas that are green energy powered

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Jonathan Wright and David Richards have created a machine that's similar to Whisson's, except that it resembles a collapsible pull-behind camper more than it favors a windmill. This invention -- which its creators call AquaMagic -- pulls air directly from the area surrounding it. Inside the machine, the air is cooled via a refrigerated coil. The air condenses, and the water is collected, purified, and released through a spigot.

The AquaMagic machine -- which currently cost about $28,000 per unit -- can produce up to 120 gallons of purified water in 24 hours, and since it's small it can be toted to disaster sites and Sub-Saharan Africa alike. But it also has one drawback: To produce this much water, AquaMagic requires about 12 gallons of diesel fuel. It's here that the Whisson Windmill (which runs about $43,000 per unit) has a clear advantage over AquaMagic: It's totally green. It runs exclusively on wind power, requiring no fossil fuel. Even the condenser runs off the power generated by the windmill's turbines.



http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geophysics/manufacture-water1.htm

Im sure these types of machines could effectively avert a global water crisis



The only thing holding back technologies like these are greed, Both the above mentioned ideas should be made via volunteer slavery we would be building the basis of a sustainable future. unfortunately people now a days worship the almighty dollar. Its the brick wall thats holding us back and bringing us down as a species.

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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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I read a book written in the 70's talking about hwo the world was going to be overpopulated by 2000 and there would be mass starvation.

Oddly enough - productivity in food resources has grown faster then our population. 


I see a similar thing happening now.

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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Y'all obviously know more on the subject than me,
but i agree, the issue of money and what is profitable is going to be our downfall.


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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: GGTBod]
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It will even itself out.  We are, in the end, just animals.  And like any other animal population, if we get too large, we'll get hit with a bottleneck-type of population correction.

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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: thoughts]
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Dear Science.

They should start cuttin the clits off in those african countries like they used to, it'd make the world a heck of a lot safer.

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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: Konyap]
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I think the overpopulation problem can be easily solved with some creative warehousing techniques, and by making crafty art projects out of some of them, like human centipede furniture and human floor lamps. It's all about re-purposing...


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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: Konyap]
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aiyobro said:
Dear Science.

They should start cuttin the clits off in those african countries like they used to, it'd make the world a heck of a lot safer.



Dear aiyobro,

Girls can have babies without a clit.

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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: memes]
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Eventually some maverick will decide to put birth control in the drinking water... problem solved.

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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: lazyfingers]
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DieCommie is right.  Population growth is slowing down.  Demographers have long known about demographic transition.  There is more than enough food to feed the whole world, and will likely continue to be enough when population peaks at about 9 billion, as it's expected to do sometime around 2050.

There is, however, a catch.  Our current agricultural system requires lots of petroleum inputs, from fertilizer to the cost of transporting it to cities.  As world oil supplies run low, there is a big question about whether we'll be able to adapt our lifestyle to a post-petroleum world.  There are, of course, alternatives, but none of them seem effective enough to simply replace oil and have everything else about our society remain the same.

We'll actually have to learn to use energy and resources more efficiently.  This will both buy us time against the ticking timebomb of peak oil, as well as make alternative fuels more viable.  We'll need to find ways to bring agriculture closer to the population and rely less on fertilizers and pesticides.  Things like organic farming and permaculture can provide some of the produce, but we might also need to explore more technological solutions such as vertical farming.  Transportation will have to change so as to reduce the amount of driving and air travel people do.

In any case, once everyone is able to live a prosperous and sustainable life, we'll likely see birthrates drop to the point where we actually see a population decrease, as is currently happening in much of Europe.


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Re: World faces overpopulation 'disaster' as number of people is set to rise by 75 million EACH YEAR [Re: blujay]
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blujay said:
Patlal said:
iwasaClown said:
Have you guys ever roadtripped across any country?
There's plently of room, this is B.S., move out of the city, people.



I dont think space is the issue here. It more the fresh water... then again lets boil ocean water right? Food is no issue, ever since we managed to invent nitrogen fertilizers we can grow food for like 15 billion. As for the pollution, someone will come up with that brialliant idea.

Wait a minute.... Is there a problem????



As someone who works on a farm, take that statement, put it in your butt, and leave.

The amount of produce we can churn out will not meet global requirements if we continue to harbour massive urban populations. Have you driven across the country? Notice what most of it already is? Farmland...

You're right about the water thing though, it's the first limiting factor I think.



cough, subsidized corn for high fructose cancer, cough. fucking controlling the food market like communism or somethings

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