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Re: "What the Bleep? - Down the Rabbit Hole" [Re: Yith]
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I can't believe the Dr. Emoto bullshit is still make the rounds here. I've debunked this several times, but since wanting things to be true always seems to trump truth, I'll try again...

Let's start with the Dr. part. Emoto's PhD is from an uncredited diploma farm. He never earned a PhD. He just had one printed up for him. This alone doesn't invalidate his claims, but it goes to show how True Believers swallow any bullshit that's fed to them without critical analysis so long as it supports their pre-conclusions.

Next, Emoto claims that when he tapes words to bottles of water and freezes them, the crystals that form are descriptive of the words used. For example, if the word 'love' is taped to a bottle, beautiful crystals form; if the words 'you make me sick' are used, ugly crystals form.

What Emoto fails to mention is that the person judging the character of the crystals knows the word used and uses this foreknowledge to look for for a crystal among the millions that form which matches the target word. This is a huge no-no in science because it's been shown again and again that, even against your best intentions, if you know what's supposed to be there, you will usually find it - it's called Selection Bias and automatically invalidates any findings.

To demonstrate a real effect, the person characterizing the crystals would have to be blind to the word used so that he can make an honest and fair assessment of the aesthetics of the crystal without bias.

By the way, my buddy James Randi has said that if Emoto could perform this experiment blinded, it would qualify for the JREF Million Dollar Prize. Demonstrating his claims in a proper blind protocol would show there really is a correlation between the words taped to a bottle and the crystals formed within. Not surprisingly, Emoto has never applied for the million dollar prize.

Meanwhile, attempts to reproduce Emoto's work by others have now been made. Again not surprisingly, his results are unreproducible when the test is done properly blinded.

Additionally, Emoto has been invited to demonstrate his results by a few universities. He's declined all the invitations so far.

And finally, Emoto published his work without peer review (surprised?). This means that he can report anything at all, and since no other scientists were offered the opportunity to comment, his word goes uncontested.

It's relevant to note that even with all of the above, his book is selling well to people who buy new age mumbo jumbo that is demonstrably bullshit without applying the first bit of critical thought. :monkeydance:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: "What the Bleep? - Down the Rabbit Hole" [Re: Diploid]
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This is where these movies fail imo. They mix fact and fiction based on their personal motivation that something they want to be true actually is true. Some of their basic premises seem logical but the far fetched conclusions they then draw from that is absurd. This reeks of death anxiety to me.:tongue2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: "What the Bleep? - Down the Rabbit Hole" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Some clips and the credits were factual, but the overall theme is nonsense.


You make it sound as if Albert's section was small.  The video is only 109 minutes long and Alpert's section was 21 minutes and 17 seconds of that. That's nearly 1/5 of the movie. If you actually watched it that section should have burned itself into your memory as the best part because he, like you, debunks the rest of the movie for what it is: bullshit.

Here are the other two clips.





Of course Albert's section itself has a few flaws but I don't expect you, or anyone here, to be able to detect them.

The bottom line here is that you shot your mouth off and criticized a movie that criticized the theme of the movie within itself.  That's called honest and unbiased journalism.

And your post makes skeptics look bad.  :thumbdown:


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Re: "What the Bleep? - Down the Rabbit Hole" [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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Very good.:thumbup:  So here am I also from 35+ years of exploration including literally hundreds of psychedelic experiences and months and years of meditation etc.

The ideas that Becker has put forth, (unfortunately) have been the only ideas that have held water in my personal search for what we are believing as a species. Maybe the last thing I was hoping to find.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: "What the Bleep? - Down the Rabbit Hole" [Re: Icelander]
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Dud3, if you'd try a rally rad mushromtrp yourd lern your g0d-0 You can do an4thing!

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