eMotionALLmotion said:

Then there is the questions of addiction....  "Something one can not stop"....

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An addiction isn't "something one can not stop".  An addiction can be stopped.  Even in the case of your reference to something living (death).

Maybe the soul needs "stuff" too.  As we cannot percieve the soul, we cannot percieve its requirements either.

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One of the scientists who was in the film and had never appeared at the school is Dr David Albert Professor and Director of Philosophical Physics at Columbia university.
He has stated in several venues that his views were totally misrepresented in the film. He claims that in over 5 hours of interviews he explained to the film makers why their concept of how Quantum Physics works has virtually no support in the scientific community.
He even called in to a radio program the director was on to discuss this and was cut off. The host of the show said this was done because it was "negative"
so much for no good or bad, that is unless it is convienent.

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Conclusion

Although Ramtha's School of Enlightenment is surrounded by controversy, there is no clear evidence that JZ is a fraud or that the school is a danger to anyone. Sociologists and psychologists do not believe that students are "brainwashed" to follow this movement, nor are they held against their will. Ramtha's students are searching for answers to life's most important questions, and the School is helping them resolve these issues. Until undisputable evidence arises that JZ is harming people, the media and anti-cultists should be careful with their criticisms.

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I keep reading this mass hysteria stuff against JZ, Ramtha and the Movie "What the Bleep do We Know".  I decided to do a web search to find out where all of the fear was coming from against her, him and the movie.

I spent and hour and a half and couldn't find anything worth spittle. I found that the human being JZ is human like the rest of us, she makes mistakes in the personal relationship department too. Been married five times and had an affair with a much younger, but of age student. I found that some people find it impossible to beleive a spirit who once lived as a man in ancient times speaks through her so they decided to call her a fraud based on that alone. They can't prove she's not channeling this dude. NOTHING that would justify burning her at the stake for at all.

I found that a few people got mildly hurt during a blind folded awareness practicing exercise. Same happens in gymnastics and dance class. I pulled a muscle during Tennis once. Should I have run around telling everyone that my coach is a dangerous man running a Brainwashing Tennis Cult?

I read the White Book years ago and found this Ramtha dude to be pretty darn cool. He's all about self empowerment and stepping up to the plate from out of helplessness and victimization. Since when is that a crime?

Fraud? So this woman provides products and services in exchange for money. Oh the shock and horror! Last time I checked, that's how the world worked. Products and services, supply and demand. There must be a demand for her products and services. If it was crap, she would not have been in the business she is for the last 30 years.

Look at Bill Gates, Cartier, George Lucas, Micheal Jordan, Anthony Robins, The Catholic Church, Domino's Pizza, WolfGang Puck. Do you all know what he charges for a little plate of food at his restaurant? Up to $120. Any idea what a Donna Karan pair of jeans costs? Up to $5,000. Get the Torches.........Lets get em!

I read JZ once advised people to make an investment in Arabian horses and they lost money. Guess what this dangerous fraudulent woman did? She reinversed ALL of them for their losses. You don't see wall street brokers doing that. Give her a break already.

I asked in another thread for proof that this movie is being pushed as a non fiction documentary. NO ONE provided any. It's a fictional entertainment film like Phenomenon, Rocky, Star Wars and the Wizard of Oz as far as I can tell.

I still haven't even seen it but I want too. Every time I go to rent it, its out. Like I said, her products are in demand.

How many of you speaking up against her even read the White Book? I'm just curious. It's really benign and quite uplifting.

What are these links about the scientists in the film suppose to mean? Obviously, they agreed to be interviewed for the movie. No doubt, there were contracts of agreements signed and they were paid  for their parts in the making of the film.

Wah wah, my words were taken out of context to support the story line. It's called editing, welcome to Hollywood AND the real world.

Like people on reality shows are not paid to play themselves and have themselves edited as they agreed they would be by the contracts they signed in exchange for cash, to create story lines in the series. What is so new or scandalous about this in the entertainment industry?

Like these scientist could not have taken a day from their lives to research her school or read the Ramtha White Book before they signed on? I bet many did and found it all to be benign which is why they went ahead with the fictional project.

If they were like, advocates for popular science, they never would've sold themselves out to a fictional meta physics based movie in the first place. What a bunch of whiners trying to get air time off their 5 minutes of fame like that girl on the Real World Las Vegas who bitched against the producers about how she was portrayed as a lush. Gee, do you think they were able to do it because she was drunk so often?

Did any of you READ what Emotional posted here? He wrote some nice stuff about how he was able to relate to a movie and what he got from it. Had he said all of that came from a movie called Bleepsie created and produced by an unknown aspiring film maker, you all would've said, "that's nice".

Then perhaps, an enlightening discussion would've transpired instead.


Drugs have been destroying bodies, brains, livers, lungs, families, relationships and friendships every day and some of you guys are going to get down on JZ Knight for being a destructive influence?

Why don't you guys go after real brainwashing cults that manipulate members into raping, torturing and killing babies and animals? Why not go after child sex slavery traders? Why not go after the underage porn in OTD? Teen age girls are being sexually exploited there. Why not go after gangs who's initiations require that a random victim be murdered?

Speaking of Fraud, why not go after shampoo companies charging $40.OO a bottle claiming it's worth it because its enriched with vitamins. Science has proven, topical vitamin treatments to hair do squat, they have to be ingested to develop healthier hair. Total Fraud!

Next time you find something you relate to TomCat that inspires you and helps you to connect the dots on your puzzle, just tell everyone you found it on a box of generic cookies. Heaven forbid the crowed finds out the Keebler elves are preaching awareness of your inner light power.



Never a dull moment around S&P is there?

psilocyberin said:

so, you watched the movie while tripping is what you are saying?

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Honestly, NO....    I had NO buzz at all - besides the "high on life" thing I got going for me....!    I finished watching it RIGHT before making this post early this morning - 2 hours before the start of my last day of work....   
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danoEoboy said:

eMotionALLmotion said:

Then there is the questions of addiction....  "Something one can not stop"....

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An addiction isn't "something one can not stop".  An addiction can be stopped.  Even in the case of your reference to something living (death).
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Maybe the soul needs "stuff" too.  As we cannot percieve the soul, we cannot percieve its requirements either. 

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After an addiction is stopped, it is no longer an addiction....  But in the case of feeding the physical body of nutrients as an "addiction", that is what I am a little confused about, right now - they just didn't address that part....   
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Phluck said:

You DO realize that this is a movie put together by a cult, and it doesn't actually make any sense?
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Some of the experts they interviewed in the movie were pissed because they were edited and misquoted to make it seem like what they said matched the beliefs of the cult.

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I didn't know it was from a "cult", but it made PLENTY of sense to me....  Is "self realization" considered to be a "cult" thing, or is that the label that people put on "self realization" that do not understand it....?        I can say that 4 months ago, I would prolly~ not have understood ANY of it - but now I can say that I am the happiest, free'est person I have EVER been in my WHOLE life since I was a child....  I guess this would be a case of perception/perspective, and at this moment I am the only one standing in my shoes....    Perhaps one day we will all understand the meaning behind ALL of this thru the help of "self realization"....(?)   
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I honestly have only seen the title of the movie in somebody's sig or something, but didn't know it was a movie till I seen it at the store, and got it....  (I don't watch TV much at all, and usually stay in S&P here....)  I was straight sober when I viewed it, and it almost ALL made sense to me - in a MAJOR way....    I was kinda~ sitting there in awe as it all rolled out....        I actually wished the movie was longer, but perhaps that is all they "know" right now about this stuff....(?)
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The movie was light on entertainment value, but it was heavy in the understanding of ME and the "changes" I have been going thru....    You all can dog me all that you want, it ain't gonna~ change a thing....!    If it IS considered a "cult", what exactly is it that makes it a "cult"....?    I didn't join anything, I just watched the movie....!    Like I said in my original post, it was like a confirmation of sorts to understand the bits and pieces of the puzzle that I had not been arranged in the final puzzle picture....     
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For the people that are in total non-belief of any of the information presented here, why would anyone think that ANYTHING is not possible....?    I have seen pictures of Ramtha before, but this is the first time I have heard any of her words....    But she was not the only one in the film, and like I said, almost ALL of it rung true to me....  Ya~ all gotta~ admit, anytime anyone has an idea that cannot be prooven as fact, there is a shitload of people that will attack it for that very reason.... 
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The only thing that was wierd to listen to was when they tried to discredit religion....  Personally, I think it is a mixture of both, and more....  Perhaps all of the things in holistic medicine, self realization/awareness, meditation, astrial energies, and religion(and whatever I missed) are all part of the "big scheme" of things....  There is a lot of "strange phenomenon" stuff happeneing every single day to people that no one can explain....  It just IS for some people....
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I ain't trying to proove or discredit anything with my words, I am just speaking my thoughts....  It would be kinda~ "small minded" to discredit something just because you may not understand it, or maybe not have seen it with your own eyes, or have some person proove it as fact in a scientific realm....  And speaking of the mind, what percentage of our brain do we actually use....?    Does'nt it seem strange that out of how big our brains really are, we just don't seem to use MOST of it....?    Seems like a waste....!    What is the rest of it for....?    What if....?   
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Ya~ know, I remember a long while back a black guy that actually got his right half of his brain and skull blown completely off by a gunshot, and he was on a talk show after he "healed"....  He walked with a limp and a cane and had a slurred speach, but how the hell could he live with only half a brain...?  LITTERALLY....!!!???  There ain't no doctor in the world that could EVER explain or predict that he would have lived, and lived almost "normal", but he did and does - and he is a lot older now....    How does one explain that....?
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Life finds a way....  As life will continually evolve and grow, there is much in the DNA(the GOD code) as designed that may never be fully understood as to what it all means....  And when someone actually does figure it all out(if someone does), there will be lines of people there to discredit it because they do not understand it....  Such is life, and it's many choices with "free will"....!
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Much LOVE to all yaz~....!   

Phluck said:

Ok, well, our definition of a cult differs then.

Despite the fact that this woman charges upwards of $1,600 to hear her speak, she's not exactly coercing or brainwashing anyone. What she is doing, however, is taking actual ideas about quantum mechanics, and twisting them to around, including heavily editing the words of people who do not agree with anything she says, to make it sound like they match her religious ideas, and presenting it in a movie that claims to examine what science is doing.

So a little dishonesty and lying, a bit of profiteering, but perhaps not entirely a cult.

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Dr. David Albert, a philosopher of physics and professor at Columbia University, speaks frequently throughout the movie. While it appears as though he supports the ideas that are presented in the movie, according to a Popular Science article, he "is outraged at the final product." [3] (http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,20967,699379,00.html) The article says that "Dr. Albert "spent nearly four hours patiently explaining to the filmmakers why quantum mechanics has nothing to do with consciousness or spirituality, only to see his statements edited and cut to the point where it appears as though he and the spirit warrior are speaking with one voice. ?I was taken,? Albert admits. ?I was really gullible, but I learned my lesson.?"

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Phluck said:

Bill Clinton charges 30,000 dollars to speak..... that damn cult leader...

Bill Clinton charges $30,000 to speak, but the people who pay that are large organizations. Ramtha charges $1,600 per person to hear her speak.

When you go see a concert, the band charges a large amount like that to play there, which is like what Bill Clinton is doing, then the tickets are a reasonable price. What Ramtha is doing, is essentially charging $1,600 for a ticket.

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