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What The Bleep Do We Know.....?
    #4011670 - 04/04/05 05:43 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

This movie, that I seemingly just watched for the first time, more explained some of the stuff I didn't already have a full grasp on....  Some of it I "knew" or partially understood, but I am left to wonder if I created the movie for myself so as I would have a confirmation of understanding of the new reality that I am starting to create thru the evolution of my consciousness....
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Then there is the questions of addiction....  "Something one can not stop"....  So, in my created reality(right now), to live as a physical human being(that I know of now), I cannot stop breathing, eating, nor stop any of my instantanious eMotions - as they drive ALL(my)motions....  :smirk:  So when the total conscious evolution takes place(the "new world order"?), will this be the moment when human physical forms will no longer be addicted to such human physical addictions....?  And what will happen to human forms....?    What will drive ALLmotions at that point - eMotions without human forms would be pure spiritual energy, right....?
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So we are addicted to eMotions, and that is considered a good thing - ESPECIALLY if they are positive eMotions about the self, as that drives other's positive eMotions - as I create that reflected reality for myself as a reflection of my own desired eMotions thru my eMotive and intentional positive expressions....  Perhaps that better explains to myself the user name I created....    I just thought it was "cool" when I made it, but it would seem that even back then that I would be understanding it better now, as I was creating my own future "puzzle piece" of understanding in my own newly created reality from back then....  Crazy, but not so crazy....  Interesting, YES.... 
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Crazy to think that there is no religion in reality, almost a foreign concept....  I had thought that was how I even got here - where I am now....(?)  Perhaps that is why I have been so confused about it all as I have been evolving.... 
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It would seem that my eMotions are the ALLmotionALL metaphor for life itself as I know it now....    Interesting indeed....!    Trapped in an infinate mirror in time, energy, and consciousness....  As it will only be a matter of energy and time before I learn to control and BE my own reflected dream of conscious reality, as ONE WE....  Then I will BE part of the spiritual energy universe thru the evolution of my phisical being....  So I am left to wonder, am I just a human being vessel, or am I the actual universe - or is that just a matter of choice....?    As we are all one, then we are all the universe....! 
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Re: What The Bleep Do We Know.....? [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4011672 - 04/04/05 05:46 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

so, you watched the movie while tripping is what you are saying?


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Re: What The Bleep Do We Know.....? [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4011674 - 04/04/05 05:47 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

There's so many threads about this movie. And this is what i always say:

Refer to this thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...mp;Main=3947507

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Re: What The Bleep Do We Know.....? [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4012153 - 04/04/05 11:54 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Then there is the questions of addiction....  "Something one can not stop"....




An addiction isn't "something one can not stop".  An addiction can be stopped.  Even in the case of your reference to something living (death).

Maybe the soul needs "stuff" too.  As we cannot percieve the soul, we cannot percieve its requirements either.

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Re: What The Bleep Do We Know.....? [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4012199 - 04/04/05 12:11 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

You DO realize that this is a movie put together by a cult, and it doesn't actually make any sense?

Some of the experts they interviewed in the movie were pissed because they were edited and misquoted to make it seem like what they said matched the beliefs of the cult.


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Re: What The Bleep Do We Know.....? [Re: Phluck]
    #4012202 - 04/04/05 12:13 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/blog/archives/000083.html

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One of the scientists who was in the film and had never appeared at the school is Dr David Albert Professor and Director of Philosophical Physics at Columbia university.
He has stated in several venues that his views were totally misrepresented in the film. He claims that in over 5 hours of interviews he explained to the film makers why their concept of how Quantum Physics works has virtually no support in the scientific community.
He even called in to a radio program the director was on to discuss this and was cut off. The host of the show said this was done because it was "negative"
so much for no good or bad, that is unless it is convienent.




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Re: What The Bleep Do We Know.....? [Re: Phluck]
    #4012566 - 04/04/05 02:16 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Just another cult. Sigh! :thumbdown:


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Re: What The Bleep Do We Know.....? [Re: Icelander]
    #4012603 - 04/04/05 02:28 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:shocked: A cult with motivation.

At least it isn't one of those slacker atypical the-end-of-the-world-is-comming-on-this-date drink your kool-aid cults.

:thumbup: for entrepenuer/venture-capitalist cults.

(still a stupid ass movie though)


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Re: What The Bleep Do We Know.....? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4012666 - 04/04/05 02:47 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I was kind of joking there.  :smile:

Never been a fan of Ramtha though.  :thumbdown:

The movie was fun in a way. Light entertainment. :mushroom2:


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Re: What The Bleep Do We Know.....? [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4013127 - 04/04/05 05:24 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

This is just to anyone;

This came from a watch dog type site that investigates destructive , dangerous, brainwashing type cults;

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Conclusion

Although Ramtha's School of Enlightenment is surrounded by controversy, there is no clear evidence that JZ is a fraud or that the school is a danger to anyone. Sociologists and psychologists do not believe that students are "brainwashed" to follow this movement, nor are they held against their will. Ramtha's students are searching for answers to life's most important questions, and the School is helping them resolve these issues. Until undisputable evidence arises that JZ is harming people, the media and anti-cultists should be careful with their criticisms.




I keep reading this mass hysteria stuff against JZ, Ramtha and the Movie "What the Bleep do We Know".  I decided to do a web search to find out where all of the fear was coming from against her, him and the movie.

I spent and hour and a half and couldn't find anything worth spittle. I found that the human being JZ is human like the rest of us, she makes mistakes in the personal relationship department too. Been married five times and had an affair with a much younger, but of age student. I found that some people find it impossible to beleive a spirit who once lived as a man in ancient times speaks through her so they decided to call her a fraud based on that alone. They can't prove she's not channeling this dude. NOTHING that would justify burning her at the stake for at all.

I found that a few people got mildly hurt during a blind folded awareness practicing exercise. Same happens in gymnastics and dance class. I pulled a muscle during Tennis once. Should I have run around telling everyone that my coach is a dangerous man running a Brainwashing Tennis Cult?

I read the White Book years ago and found this Ramtha dude to be pretty darn cool. He's all about self empowerment and stepping up to the plate from out of helplessness and victimization. Since when is that a crime?

Fraud? So this woman provides products and services in exchange for money. Oh the shock and horror! Last time I checked, that's how the world worked. Products and services, supply and demand. There must be a demand for her products and services. If it was crap, she would not have been in the business she is for the last 30 years.

Look at Bill Gates, Cartier, George Lucas, Micheal Jordan, Anthony Robins, The Catholic Church, Domino's Pizza, WolfGang Puck. Do you all know what he charges for a little plate of food at his restaurant? Up to $120. Any idea what a Donna Karan pair of jeans costs? Up to $5,000. Get the Torches.........Lets get em!

I read JZ once advised people to make an investment in Arabian horses and they lost money. Guess what this dangerous fraudulent woman did? She reinversed ALL of them for their losses. You don't see wall street brokers doing that. Give her a break already.

I asked in another thread for proof that this movie is being pushed as a non fiction documentary. NO ONE provided any. It's a fictional entertainment film like Phenomenon, Rocky, Star Wars and the Wizard of Oz as far as I can tell.

I still haven't even seen it but I want too. Every time I go to rent it, its out. Like I said, her products are in demand.

How many of you speaking up against her even read the White Book? I'm just curious. It's really benign and quite uplifting.

What are these links about the scientists in the film suppose to mean? Obviously, they agreed to be interviewed for the movie. No doubt, there were contracts of agreements signed and they were paid  for their parts in the making of the film.

Wah wah, my words were taken out of context to support the story line. It's called editing, welcome to Hollywood AND the real world.

Like people on reality shows are not paid to play themselves and have themselves edited as they agreed they would be by the contracts they signed in exchange for cash, to create story lines in the series. What is so new or scandalous about this in the entertainment industry?

Like these scientist could not have taken a day from their lives to research her school or read the Ramtha White Book before they signed on? I bet many did and found it all to be benign which is why they went ahead with the fictional project.

If they were like, advocates for popular science, they never would've sold themselves out to a fictional meta physics based movie in the first place. What a bunch of whiners trying to get air time off their 5 minutes of fame like that girl on the Real World Las Vegas who bitched against the producers about how she was portrayed as a lush. Gee, do you think they were able to do it because she was drunk so often?

Did any of you READ what Emotional posted here? He wrote some nice stuff about how he was able to relate to a movie and what he got from it. Had he said all of that came from a movie called Bleepsie created and produced by an unknown aspiring film maker, you all would've said, "that's nice".

Then perhaps, an enlightening discussion would've transpired instead.


Drugs have been destroying bodies, brains, livers, lungs, families, relationships and friendships every day and some of you guys are going to get down on JZ Knight for being a destructive influence?

Why don't you guys go after real brainwashing cults that manipulate members into raping, torturing and killing babies and animals? Why not go after child sex slavery traders? Why not go after the underage porn in OTD? Teen age girls are being sexually exploited there. Why not go after gangs who's initiations require that a random victim be murdered?

Speaking of Fraud, why not go after shampoo companies charging $40.OO a bottle claiming it's worth it because its enriched with vitamins. Science has proven, topical vitamin treatments to hair do squat, they have to be ingested to develop healthier hair. Total Fraud!

Next time you find something you relate to TomCat that inspires you and helps you to connect the dots on your puzzle, just tell everyone you found it on a box of generic cookies. Heaven forbid the crowed finds out the Keebler elves are preaching awareness of your inner light power. :tongue:



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Re: What The Bleep Do We Know.....? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4013162 - 04/04/05 05:34 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, well, our definition of a cult differs then.

Despite the fact that this woman charges upwards of $1,600 to hear her speak, she's not exactly coercing or brainwashing anyone. What she is doing, however, is taking actual ideas about quantum mechanics, and twisting them to around, including heavily editing the words of people who do not agree with anything she says, to make it sound like they match her religious ideas, and presenting it in a movie that claims to examine what science is doing.

So a little dishonesty and lying, a bit of profiteering, but perhaps not entirely a cult.


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Re: What The Bleep Do We Know.....? [Re: Icelander]
    #4013186 - 04/04/05 05:44 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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so, you watched the movie while tripping is what you are saying?



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Honestly, NO....    I had NO buzz at all - besides the "high on life" thing I got going for me....!    I finished watching it RIGHT before making this post early this morning - 2 hours before the start of my last day of work....  :smile:  :heart:
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Then there is the questions of addiction....  "Something one can not stop"....



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An addiction isn't "something one can not stop".  An addiction can be stopped.  Even in the case of your reference to something living (death).
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Maybe the soul needs "stuff" too.  As we cannot percieve the soul, we cannot percieve its requirements either.  :heart:



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After an addiction is stopped, it is no longer an addiction....  But in the case of feeding the physical body of nutrients as an "addiction", that is what I am a little confused about, right now - they just didn't address that part....  :smile:  :heart:
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You DO realize that this is a movie put together by a cult, and it doesn't actually make any sense?
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Some of the experts they interviewed in the movie were pissed because they were edited and misquoted to make it seem like what they said matched the beliefs of the cult.



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I didn't know it was from a "cult", but it made PLENTY of sense to me....  Is "self realization" considered to be a "cult" thing, or is that the label that people put on "self realization" that do not understand it....?    :shrug:    I can say that 4 months ago, I would prolly~ not have understood ANY of it - but now I can say that I am the happiest, free'est person I have EVER been in my WHOLE life since I was a child....  I guess this would be a case of perception/perspective, and at this moment I am the only one standing in my shoes....    Perhaps one day we will all understand the meaning behind ALL of this thru the help of "self realization"....(?)  :smile:  :heart:
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I honestly have only seen the title of the movie in somebody's sig or something, but didn't know it was a movie till I seen it at the store, and got it....  (I don't watch TV much at all, and usually stay in S&P here....)  I was straight sober when I viewed it, and it almost ALL made sense to me - in a MAJOR way....    I was kinda~ sitting there in awe as it all rolled out....    :shrug:    I actually wished the movie was longer, but perhaps that is all they "know" right now about this stuff....(?)
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The movie was light on entertainment value, but it was heavy in the understanding of ME and the "changes" I have been going thru....    You all can dog me all that you want, it ain't gonna~ change a thing....!    If it IS considered a "cult", what exactly is it that makes it a "cult"....?    I didn't join anything, I just watched the movie....!    Like I said in my original post, it was like a confirmation of sorts to understand the bits and pieces of the puzzle that I had not been arranged in the final puzzle picture....      :shrug:
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For the people that are in total non-belief of any of the information presented here, why would anyone think that ANYTHING is not possible....?    I have seen pictures of Ramtha before, but this is the first time I have heard any of her words....    But she was not the only one in the film, and like I said, almost ALL of it rung true to me....  Ya~ all gotta~ admit, anytime anyone has an idea that cannot be prooven as fact, there is a shitload of people that will attack it for that very reason.... 
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The only thing that was wierd to listen to was when they tried to discredit religion....  Personally, I think it is a mixture of both, and more....  Perhaps all of the things in holistic medicine, self realization/awareness, meditation, astrial energies, and religion(and whatever I missed) are all part of the "big scheme" of things....  There is a lot of "strange phenomenon" stuff happeneing every single day to people that no one can explain....  It just IS for some people....
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I ain't trying to proove or discredit anything with my words, I am just speaking my thoughts....  It would be kinda~ "small minded" to discredit something just because you may not understand it, or maybe not have seen it with your own eyes, or have some person proove it as fact in a scientific realm....  And speaking of the mind, what percentage of our brain do we actually use....?    Does'nt it seem strange that out of how big our brains really are, we just don't seem to use MOST of it....?    Seems like a waste....!    What is the rest of it for....?  :shrug:  What if....?   
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Ya~ know, I remember a long while back a black guy that actually got his right half of his brain and skull blown completely off by a gunshot, and he was on a talk show after he "healed"....  He walked with a limp and a cane and had a slurred speach, but how the hell could he live with only half a brain...?  LITTERALLY....!!!???  There ain't no doctor in the world that could EVER explain or predict that he would have lived, and lived almost "normal", but he did and does - and he is a lot older now....    How does one explain that....?
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Life finds a way....  As life will continually evolve and grow, there is much in the DNA(the GOD code) as designed that may never be fully understood as to what it all means....  And when someone actually does figure it all out(if someone does), there will be lines of people there to discredit it because they do not understand it....  Such is life, and it's many choices with "free will"....!
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Re: What The Bleep Do We Know.....? [Re: Phluck]
    #4013244 - 04/04/05 05:57 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Phluck,

I appreciate your ability to put it into perspective.

Have you read the White Book? Ramtha nor JZ are advocates of religion. JZ in real life told the church to stick it when she realized she didn't need a middle man (priest) between herself and her own Divinity. Ramtha is about looking for all you ever needed within your own self.

Funny how sometimes, people have to first look to someone to hear that message, but once they do and get it, they will never become the followers of anything outside of themselves for long.

She is obviously spiritually and meta physically oriented. She's free to be here in the U.S. of A.

Out of curiosity, what is the audience of this movie doing with the quantum physics mis-information? Are they being given directions to build nuclear bombs and stealth war craft to become terrorists or something? I'm failing to see the harm as quantum scientist do what they do and the audience was being given some sci-fi stimulation.

What am I going to do, mis align my galactic chakra or teletransport only half of my body with quantum mis information?

Star Trek claims to know the secrets and mechanics of hyper and warp drive. They are obviously twisting some current scientific truth around there to make a movie.

Lets go after the Internet sites teaching people how to make actual bombs or something if we care this much.

I think I am just noticing how some people prioritize life and this Ramtha stuff is like fussing over a chipped finger nail all the while cancer is eating your brain.


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Re: What The Bleep Do We Know.....? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4013300 - 04/04/05 06:11 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Well, I'd consider believing that you're channeling an ancient spirit from Atlantis to be a religious belief, but whatever.


Out of curiosity, what is the audience of this movie doing with the quantum physics mis-information? Are they being given directions to build nuclear bombs and stealth war craft to become terrorists or something? I'm failing to see the harm as quantum scientist do what they do and the audience was being given some sci-fi stimulation.


Personally, I do see a problem with lying to people about science. Since most kids aren't going to grow up to be biologists, does that make it okay to teach them that cows are giant bugs and that our closest genetic relative is the potato?

Star Trek claims to know the secrets and mechanics of hyper and warp drive. They are obviously twisting some current scientific truth around there to make a movie.

Star Trek also presents itself as a fictional show, while "What the bleep do we know?" claims to examine quantum physics and educate people on how it relates to our conciousness.


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Re: What The Bleep Do We Know.....? [Re: Phluck]
    #4013335 - 04/04/05 06:24 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Ok, well, our definition of a cult differs then.

Despite the fact that this woman charges upwards of $1,600 to hear her speak, she's not exactly coercing or brainwashing anyone. What she is doing, however, is taking actual ideas about quantum mechanics, and twisting them to around, including heavily editing the words of people who do not agree with anything she says, to make it sound like they match her religious ideas, and presenting it in a movie that claims to examine what science is doing.

So a little dishonesty and lying, a bit of profiteering, but perhaps not entirely a cult.




Bill Clinton charges 30,000 dollars to speak..... that damn cult leader...


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Re: What The Bleep Do We Know.....? [Re: Phluck]
    #4013354 - 04/04/05 06:31 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Well, if they are relating it to consciousness, then they are not relating it to physical laws so really, the area of focus is not what quantum physicists are dealing with.

When we are exploring new territory, we are in the area of trial and error and mistakes will be made and learned from for advances to occur.

This is clearly meta physics, not physical science. If someone confuses the two, I doubt they are serious about science or biology.

Quantum consciousness is an area modern medical science is barely beginning to take notice of. Depak left the field to explore it and share his research with others and what he has learned about it. Depak Chopra use to me a surgeon and got fed up with people being cut up and drugged up when they didn't have to be.

If a kid is going to become a biologists, I'm sure by the time he graduates with his degree, he will be able to decipher what he saw from the movie was unrelated and science fiction. We have books, universities and teachers for this stuff. You can't tell me people are getting degrees in quantum mechanics and Biology just by watching a film called "What the Bleep do we Know?"

Lets keep perspective here.

The part about her channeling a spirit actually goes against much of religion. The Catholics teach it to be an evil practice. Spirituality , especially the meta physical branch of it, has NOTHING to do with religion or a GOD. Religion has a fixed set of Laws and Rules already written and an authority figure. Meta Physical type spirituality has NO authority figure, worships nothing, and keeps pushing the limits and looks to break the laws and rules of physics. It writes the book as it goes along and keeps making edits as it learns and understands more.

They are very different. Saying they are the same is giving out mis-information.


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Re: What The Bleep Do We Know.....? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4013411 - 04/04/05 06:45 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I have yet to see the movie. I really want to, just havent gotten around to it.
Seems to me though, that the movie just speculates on theories about the unknown part of QP (which is probably 99%). Im sure it went over how light is both wave and particle, WiMPs, other dark matter, positrons and such. These things we know about, and know a good bit about their absurd behaviour. Scientists have egos sometimes worse than doctors, and refuse to accept or even ponder anothers viewpoint of X subject if it (especially) is competition for their own. Look at string theory, it was laughed at, ridiculed, anyone who pursued it eventually was indirectly discredited by all the other scientists. Now it is on the upswing, and is becoming Pop science (if you will). Especially if religion is in anyway involved, scientists will whole heartedly mock it as antagonize its participants. Science has been/is just as political as anything else, where the ascending majority attempts to supress the minority for recognition and financial benefit. Dont believe me? look at the Edison/Tesla scandal...


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Re: What The Bleep Do We Know.....? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4013471 - 04/04/05 07:04 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Bill Clinton charges 30,000 dollars to speak..... that damn cult leader...

Bill Clinton charges $30,000 to speak, but the people who pay that are large organizations. Ramtha charges $1,600 per person to hear her speak.

When you go see a concert, the band charges a large amount like that to play there, which is like what Bill Clinton is doing, then the tickets are a reasonable price. What Ramtha is doing, is essentially charging $1,600 for a ticket.


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    #4013513 - 04/04/05 07:14 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quantum consciousness is an area modern medical science is barely beginning to take notice of. Depak left the field to explore it and share his research with others and what he has learned about it. Depak Chopra use to me a surgeon and got fed up with people being cut up and drugged up when they didn't have to be.

Modern medical science isn't taking any notice of it at all, actually, because it really has nothing to do with modern medical science. It's speculation based on a misunderstanding of the concepts that quantum physics present.

You can't tell me people are getting degrees in quantum mechanics and Biology just by watching a film called "What the Bleep do we Know?"

No, but I never implied anything of the sort. Of course if a kid educates himself about the actual ideas behind quantum physics, he'll be able to laugh at the movie and shake his head, but most people don't have this background knowledge, and and being lied to.

Depak Chopra use to me a surgeon and got fed up with people being cut up and drugged up when they didn't have to be.

Yeah, and then he went on to babble on about quantum mechanics being related to healing despite being trained in medicine, not physics.

The part about her channeling a spirit actually goes against much of religion.

It goes against most Christian beliefs. But so does the idea that Muhammed was a prophet. That doesn't mean that Islam isn't a religion.

re?li?gion Audio pronunciation of "religion" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-ljn)
n.

1.
1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

spir?i?tu?al?i?ty Audio pronunciation of "spirituality" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (spr-ch-l-t)
n. pl. spir?i?tu?al?i?ties

1. The state, quality, manner, or fact of being spiritual.
2. The clergy.
3. Something, such as property or revenue, that belongs to the church or to a cleric. Often used in the plural.


How do you respond to the fact that the producers of the film heavily edit the interviews with physicists so that they could twist their words around to match what they believe?

From the wikipedia article on the film:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Bleep_Do_We_Know?!

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Dr. David Albert, a philosopher of physics and professor at Columbia University, speaks frequently throughout the movie. While it appears as though he supports the ideas that are presented in the movie, according to a Popular Science article, he "is outraged at the final product." [3] (http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,20967,699379,00.html) The article says that "Dr. Albert "spent nearly four hours patiently explaining to the filmmakers why quantum mechanics has nothing to do with consciousness or spirituality, only to see his statements edited and cut to the point where it appears as though he and the spirit warrior are speaking with one voice. ?I was taken,? Albert admits. ?I was really gullible, but I learned my lesson.?"




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    #4013679 - 04/04/05 07:51 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Bill Clinton charges 30,000 dollars to speak..... that damn cult leader...

Bill Clinton charges $30,000 to speak, but the people who pay that are large organizations. Ramtha charges $1,600 per person to hear her speak.

When you go see a concert, the band charges a large amount like that to play there, which is like what Bill Clinton is doing, then the tickets are a reasonable price. What Ramtha is doing, is essentially charging $1,600 for a ticket.




And if people are willing to pay that? someone paid 1500 $ to see Oysterhead once.... who are you to say what people should and shouldnt spend their money on. If you dont want to pay it, fine... you dont have to.


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