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For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?"
    #5765552 - 06/18/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

After watching this amazing movie, I'm left with a plethora of questions, so I'll just ask a few...

1) How could the native american not see Columbus's ship? The movie said they knew nothing of the sort so he couldn't see it, only the ripples on the water. Just because we've never seen something before doesn't mean we won't be able to see it if presented to us...right?

2) Reality is comprised of possiblities or probability to be more specific. If we "choose" to percieve something a certain way, why does everybody percieve it the same exact way. For instance, 10,000 people could bite into an apple blindfolded and tell you they ate an apple. Out of every single possible chance that the apple could taste/feel/smell/look like anything else, we all percieve it as an apple...why?

3) How can an object exist in 2 places at one time? I understand that the object is really in all places at once, but how can we see it in two if we're only trained to see it in one?

This video makes a lot of sense but at the same time it just confuses me even more. I'd love to continue reading further into the science of quantam physics but I'm into the theories and explanations, not the math lol. Can someone point me to further reading?


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: Newbie]
    #5765570 - 06/18/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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1) How could the native american not see Columbus's ship?  The movie said they knew nothing of the sort so he couldn't see it, only the ripples on the water.  Just because we've never seen something before doesn't mean we won't be able to see it if presented to us...right?



That part was complete baloney.  Never happened.

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2) Reality is comprised of possiblities or probability to be more specific.  If we "choose" to percieve something a certain way, why does everybody percieve it the same exact way.  For instance, 10,000 people could bite into an apple blindfolded and tell you they ate an apple.  Out of every single possible chance that the apple could taste/feel/smell/look like anything else, we all percieve it as an apple...why?



Again, baloney.

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3) How can an object exist in 2 places at one time?  I understand that the object is really in all places at once, but how can we see it in two if we're only trained to see it in one?



Ok, now this part they actually got somewhat right.  It's not so much that the object is in two places at once, but rather, it's a wave function of possibilities until it is observed.  Or something like that.

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This video makes a lot of sense but at the same time it just confuses me even more.  I'd love to continue reading further into the science of quantam physics but I'm into the theories and explanations, not the math lol.  Can someone point me to further reading?



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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: Silversoul]
    #5765589 - 06/18/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So there's not much truth to this movie at all? Damn...they make it seem so life-changing and awe-inspiring. Thanks for the link I'll give it a read.


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: Newbie]
    #5765593 - 06/18/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry, but I thought the movie was a complete joke. It's filled with blantant factual errors, misleading information, and pseudoscience. Admittedly, I didn't watch all of it. After they stated the body created twenty amino acids, I got fed up and turned it off. (The body makes eleven amino acids.)


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: Newbie]
    #5765616 - 06/18/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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So there's not much truth to this movie at all? Damn...they make it seem so life-changing and awe-inspiring. Thanks for the link I'll give it a read.



Like the Da Vinci Code, it's fiction interwoven with just enough fact to make it almost plausible.


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: Silversoul]
    #5765622 - 06/18/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"Infotainment" :grin:


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: Veritas]
    #5765762 - 06/18/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

They couldn't even spell FUCK right.


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5765779 - 06/18/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Sorry, but I thought the movie was a complete joke. It's filled with blantant factual errors, misleading information, and pseudoscience. Admittedly, I didn't watch all of it. After they stated the body created twenty amino acids, I got fed up and turned it off. (The body makes eleven amino acids.)




Not to nitpick, but are you sure your info is right? I took a bio class last semester and we learned 20.

Reference:
http://virtuallaboratory.net/Biofundamentals/lectureNotes/Topic3-2_Proteins.htm

Not that I watched the movie, either :p


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: thatiAM]
    #5765857 - 06/18/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yeah my history teacher actualy taught me about the whole not seeing the ship thing so i believe that parts true.


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: thatiAM]
    #5765859 - 06/18/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah guys this movie SUCKED! It made people THINK! I mean, there were so many glaring mistakes and false info...who cares if anyone actually GOT anything out of the movie.

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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: DeathCompany]
    #5765901 - 06/18/06 10:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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yeah my history teacher actualy taught me about the whole not seeing the ship thing so i believe that parts true.



I don't suppose this teacher happened to say this after seeing the movie? Even history teachers can be gullible.


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: Silversoul]
    #5765935 - 06/18/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

its really rather simple

its a dance

all you have to do is move


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: thatiAM]
    #5765982 - 06/18/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The body uses twenty amino acids, but can only synthesize eleven. In nutrition, the amino acids that can be synthesized are called non-essential amino acids and those that cannot are referred to as essential amino acids.


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: MystikMushroom]
    #5765990 - 06/18/06 11:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You shouldn't need to be deceived in order to think....


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5765995 - 06/18/06 11:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ahh okay.  I'm only in noob biology classes so we didn't even talk about that :smile:


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: Silversoul]
    #5766053 - 06/18/06 11:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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DeathCompany said:
yeah my history teacher actualy taught me about the whole not seeing the ship thing so i believe that parts true.



I don't suppose this teacher happened to say this after seeing the movie? Even history teachers can be gullible.




I had heard this story (about the Indians and them not being able to see Columbus's ships nor his people until they touched them)...way back in the '70's when I was in grade school.

Just because a movie says something that you don't believe.....doesn't make it false.

There were many good things stated in that movie.
For the people who dismiss this movie as being pseudoscience.....I claim that ALL science is pseudoscience.

We really don't know that much about the world we live in.
Most of it is made up to fit some mathematical format or formula.
If it doesn't fit into our format (paradigm)......we dismiss it as being "false"

Who is being more foolish.........
The person who can see past the numbers and get to what is really going on.......
or the person who "tisk tisks" anything that they don't/can't fit into their mathematical format?

All this movie did was take the little we know about the world around us and presented it in a different format.


You are responsible for the world you live in

That is a hard pill to swallow for people who hate their life/world.

I took the message of this movie, and used it in my life.
Within a few years....my life turned around....for the better I might add.


If there is something in your life you don't like.....take action to change it.
If you do nothing...then you will continue to live in a world you hate......and it is your fault you are there.....

Ya cant blame you boss.

Or your mother

or you spouse

All the blame, for your miserable existence, lies on your shoulders......


..what are you going to do about it?


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: niteowl]
    #5766376 - 06/19/06 12:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

there must be close to 200 million tv sets in the USA...

of those people watching that show how many post here?

its hard to think all this by yourself,; and that show is all

they have. its better than bush.


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: Schwammel]
    #5766681 - 06/19/06 02:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I have never seen anyone say this before.

Yet I read it... or this could be my misinterpretation of the ripples you produce, which tells me that the whole story about the indians was some stupid metaphor trying to explain how unknown the spaniards was to them.

If your history teacher tells you that both your parents are homosexual males with uterus's in their rectal cavity, and that your father is really your mother and that they change roles around once a year: Do you believe it is true?

If he said that it was written in a book by some prof. in "history and the demise of woman", would it make more sense?

I think you get my point.

Where did my fucking lighter go, I swear I left it right here on the table.

slap@local: %slocate lighter
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slocate, no such instance; lighter.

slap@local:%say have anyone seen my fucking lighter?
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Its right there on the table where you left it.

slap@local:%say Where the fuck did that come from?
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Light your smoke and shut the fuck up.


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: Newbie]
    #5766786 - 06/19/06 04:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Here's what glad scientist Daniel Winter had to say about that movie:

In the film "What the Bleep" - there is a sad amount of simple confused physics- and not really much clear thinking. For example - saying we make the world outside our body by creating an electrical picture (hologram) inside our head - ONLY has meaning IF the hologram inside is in fact in COHERENCE (in phase) and FRACTAL (attracting charge). This is how the hologram inside your head gets a chance at sharing charge (REALITY) with what is outside your head.
( See: "From HOLLOWgram to Hologram" in Dan Winter's first book: Alphabet of the Heart) .

By NOT understanding or teaching this physics - that the inside MUST be in phase ( and ultimately FRACTAL ) to what is OUTSIDE - the film merely invites a kind of schizophrenia about - what is more real - my dreams or my day. In this state - the dreamer- wakes up thinking he/she has come out of dreaming - only to go into a deeper dream. If physics is to get out of this dream- the WAY charge is attracted to the inner 'holographic brain' will HAVE to be understood as implosive fractal attraction (bliss / creativity - biofeedback MEASUREs this).

This point alone could have started to redeem the pathetic 'blind leading the blind' science of consciousness in the film. We described how origin of alphabets create this phase discipline by making symbol structures (alphabet letters) MAPS or indices to phase discipline (donut wave tilt angles) - ref: http://spirals.eternite.com and more recently at KnotSlipping - soulinvitation.com/knotslipping

Physics really does agree that DNA is literally built with the snytax of letters. We are reminded of the classic book: "Grammatical Man:Information, Entropy, Language and Life" by Jeremy Campbell - postulating that the high signal to noise information carrying capacity of DNA - is due to CONTEXT DEPENDANCY - which in turn - TURNS - out to be a simplified name for BRAIDING.

Next we turn back to the What the Bleep film. Paul R. (above) kindly forwarded the correspondance with Stuart Hameroff (his letter below) - who appeared in the film, and we have known for some time. My simplified understanding of Stuart's work centers around the sub-cellular MICROTUBULE as a mechanism of consciousness. (as in his letter) . Speaking of WAVE GUIDES for the miraculous!
(The images in this pic are from the biophysics literature - the text / concept is from Dan Winter - not from Stuart!
- more on the biophysics of microwave guide and humans affecting their environment / steering tornadoes with their radiance - at soulinvitation.com/dowsing )

We suggest the recursive or self similar capacitive and microwave guide geometry of microtubules (& DNA?) conduct by implosion - biologic information. This creates the holy communion of charge radiance which defines life and makes biology efficient. Fractal compression geometries for capacitive coupling (& microwave?) create the compression (implosion) which turns into acceleration. This fusion / implosion collapse principle enables capacitance to be propagated with velocities faster than light - (Hodowanec / Ramsey) accounting in part for biology's 'multiple connectedness' (or in the obtuse language of todays physics: 'NON-LOCAL' communication. ) The knowledge of the charge environment SYMMETRY which allows this communication to happen ( soulinvitation.com/architecture ) - turns religious myths about bliss and enlightenment - into a SCIENCE OF HYGIENE - for their practice. BIOLOGIC COMMUNION WITH NATURE - becomes in effect THE PHYSICS OF EMBEDDING... charge... Dan Winter.


Hi..
I know that Stuart rather dismissed an earlier email in which I included the picture from Michael Heleus suggesting that the concentric rings in many micro tubules may approximate Golden Mean ratio RADII self similarity. ( Implosion / Fusion / Collapse / Scale Invariance .. hint .. hint.. ) . I suggest it may be time to reconsider..

1. Microtubule may be just 1 example of implosive charge compression due to self similarity (Golden Ratio) optimized concentric tube arrangement?

2. Biology's acheivement of COHERENCE instead of 'decoherence' in warm (non cryogenic) environments (like the brain in BLISS ) - may be specifically due to the implosive - self - similar and implosive nature of DNA itself (+ microtubules) . discussion:
http://www.soulinvitation.com/superDNA

http://www.soulinvitation.com/knotslipping

In summary - failure to account for the simple nature of biologic implosion
http://www.soulinvitation.com/fusion
http://www.soulinvitation.com/collapse
http://www.soulinvitation.com/compression

seems to be the limiting factor in science's (AND THE BLEEP MOVIE's) progress in describing the electrical nature of life AND CONSCIOUSNESS itself.

For example consider the simple truism -
If a potentially infinite number of capacitively coupled charge waves were recursively nested in the 10 spiral Golden Ratio top down view of DNA - ( similar to microtubules in this sense) - (subject of my last 2 books in 5 languages
Implosion: Secret Science of Ecstasy & Immortality
http://www.soulinvitaiton.com/consciouskids
Implosion's Grand Attractor
http://www.soulinvitation.com/newbook
"Holy Communion in DNA" - see the hologram multiple connectedness and DNA as waveguide articles below-

then:
the phase velocities could add and multiply constructively allowing (charge) compression to be turned coherently in to acceleration (gravity). This could then suck charge thru the speed of light igniting measureable things like
- germination
http://www.soulinvitation.com/germination
and
- bliss and creativity
http://www.soulinvitation.com/blisstuner
(notice the role of Golden Mean ratio / charge compression in eeg bliss / creativity measurement)

In summary - we might conclude - that getting biologic capacitors (like micro tubules and DNA)
into self-similarity ( like the fibres of perkinjole that bring voltage to the EKG from gravity) produces both LIFE AND CONSCIOUSNESS. This is because when compression is perfected (coherence limit condition is fractal idealized by Golden Mean) then capacitance is radiated
from center with zero storage - Perfected charge distribution (implosive charge field effect coherence) = consciousness.

By missing IMPLOSION - as literally the WAVE MECHANICS of FUSION - the Heart of all biology - the movie - WHAT THE BLEEP - seems to me to be largely an embarrassing demonstration of just how confused western science currently is about the FRACTAL SYMMETRY OF CHARGE (and perfected charge distribution that results) which is the very definition of LIFE AND CONSCIOUSNESS.

The GRAVITY of this weighs on me.

Dan Winter


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: Newbie]
    #5766928 - 06/19/06 05:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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1) How could the native american not see Columbus's ship? The movie said they knew nothing of the sort so he couldn't see it, only the ripples on the water. Just because we've never seen something before doesn't mean we won't be able to see it if presented to us...right?




you're guess is as good as mine. i didnt buy that part at all. if that were the case, how would Dali have come up with any of his artwork, and how are we able to see it, and recognize elements, if they were so surreal at one point. maybe thats a bad example.

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2) Reality is comprised of possiblities or probability to be more specific. If we "choose" to percieve something a certain way, why does everybody percieve it the same exact way. For instance, 10,000 people could bite into an apple blindfolded and tell you they ate an apple. Out of every single possible chance that the apple could taste/feel/smell/look like anything else, we all percieve it as an apple...why?




actually, those under hypnosis have been known to bite into onions and claim they taste like apples, and vice versa. Perception can be altered to the point were you trick yourself info conforming. It doesnt require hypnosis, only for demonstrating the extremes.

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3) How can an object exist in 2 places at one time? I understand that the object is really in all places at once, but how can we see it in two if we're only trained to see it in one?




you dont see it in two. it literally happens faster than the speed of light. I would suggest looking for the Nova series, Elegant Univers. I'ts basically M-Theory minus Ramtha and the other crazy bitch.


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: Newbie]
    #5767232 - 06/19/06 08:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The movie wasn't any good - tried to use science to support all the BS but it seemed pretty obvious that the people who wrote it didn't have a real understanding of the physics they were quoting.

A FAR better film along the same lines is "What we still don't know" by Martin Rees:
http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/W/what_we_still_dont_know/index.html


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: trendal]
    #5767426 - 06/19/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The primary reason, for the movie, was to get people to realize.....

You are responsible for the world you live in.

If they got some of their facts wrong (the number of amino acids the body makes for example).....I don't see how that changes the message of the movie.

Many people balk at this movie because they didn't like the message it was trying to send.

Not because they misused some scientific facts :rolleyes:

If you watch the movie with an open mind, and listen to the message the movie was trying to convey..........it makes perfect sense.


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Re: For those who have seen "What the bleep do we know?" [Re: Newbie]
    #5767662 - 06/19/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

After watching this amazing movie, I'm left with a plethora of questions, so I'll just ask a few...

1) How could the native american not see Columbus's ship?  The movie said they knew nothing of the sort so he couldn't see it, only the ripples on the water.  Just because we've never seen something before doesn't mean we won't be able to see it if presented to us...right?

I think that is roughly said.. (To be taken with a pinch of salt.)

2) Reality is comprised of possiblities or probability to be more specific.  If we "choose" to percieve something a certain way, why does everybody percieve it the same exact way.  For instance, 10,000 people could bite into an apple blindfolded and tell you they ate an apple.  Out of every single possible chance that the apple could taste/feel/smell/look like anything else, we all percieve it as an apple...why?

Because an apple, is an apple.

3) How can an object exist in 2 places at one time?  I understand that the object is really in all places at once, but how can we see it in two if we're only trained to see it in one?

The object do not "exist" .. The object, is at a potential point, to our perceptions, .. There are many, and they are mixed..


I did dream about this, just before I woke up, ..
But it seems it is not time yet, as all I can recall, is "alternatives" ..

This video makes a lot of sense but at the same time it just confuses me even more.  I'd love to continue reading further into the science of quantam physics but I'm into the theories and explanations, not the math lol.  Can someone point me to further reading?

Not to be Stupid, or anything, but the video, cannot make sense..
You made sense of the movie, and the movie, made indirect sense, to you!
You are the animator, as the animated!

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