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ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes?
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I'm new at this but I found these mushrooms that look a lot like pictures I've seen of "subbs".  But the more I look around for info about these, the more it seems like there are lots of lookalikes that are similar in many ways, including the black spore print (a lot of people seem to treat a black spore print like it's a positive ID for subbs, yet I see just as much stuff about there being other ones with black spores that aren't subbs.)  Can anyone give me some tips on how to tell subbs from their lookalikes?

Here's the details for the few that I picked:

Habitat: lush green lawn, PNW (BC)

Gills:  Free or narrowly attached? (I'm new at this. see pics)

Stem: Thin, caramel brown, 6-8 cm, hollow?

Cap: 2-3 cm, see pics for shape

Spore print color: jet black

Bruising: none









And here's one I picked nearby that is obviously different, since the spore print is brown (since these were growing near each other this is why I want to learn more about how to weed out the lookalikes before I go pick a bunch):


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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: myshkin]
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I'd say thats it!:congrats:conical, banded with red in the stem. Black spore print:awesomenod:

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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: myshkin]
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Those are subbs.  The bottom one is a foe.


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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: myshkin]
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Awesome, thanks.  Any tips on telling the subbs from the foes and other lookalikes if I want to pick a bunch of them and not have to spore print each one?

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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: myshkin]
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myshkin said:
Awesome, thanks.  Any tips on telling the subbs from the foes and other lookalikes if I want to pick a bunch of them and not have to spore print each one?


Years of experience, lol.  Most of the time it's very hard to tell without taking a print.  But the red color in the stems and black gills usually point to subbs.  It's still best to print them though, just so you don't eat a bunch of foes.


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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: amilibertine]
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The foes wont hurt you any, but they wont help. I look for the dark ring around the margin and a more red/brown twisty stem, the foes stem is more ivory or white. Tan gills are usually foes, that smokey grey gill color is another trait of the subbs, printing is always best, but experience will be the best tool in the long run.
Good luck!!


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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: Bipolardox]
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god i live in BC and have never found a subb in a loooong ass time. do the gills look black too or what? i have printed foes atleast 10-20 times and am gettin sick of that.
cool find, put em in the pnw active thread. :thumbup: nice to have more BC shrooms.


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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: myshkin]
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So would most people actually remove all the caps and print them all, and then just eat the caps?  I've heard subbs are weak (never tried them before) and you might have to eat as many as fifty of them?  Seems like a lot of caps to take prints of.

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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: myshkin]
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ya thats why i never bothered with them back in the day, now i just wanna get them off my list.


so these were just in a new lawn?


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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
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They were actually in a lawn in a city park, not new.  The grass around where they were growing was more lush and a darker green than the rest of the grass.  I should have taken a picture of the grass, but I didn't.  I'll try to get a good pic when I go back.

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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: myshkin]
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do the gills actually look black or just brown?


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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
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The gills are grayish brown with a dusty look.  The picture of them next to the spore print is closer to what they actually look like than the picture up above, where the lighting made them look more brown and less gray.

Also, can anyone give me advice on whether I should dry these or not?  If they're low potency in the first place, will they be too weak if I dry them?

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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: myshkin]
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myshkin said:If they're low potency in the first place, will they be took weak if I dry them?


Dry them to be cracker dry and then stick them in a dry mason jar, works for me. :smile:

You can use the stems as well, just so you know, I usually print them with the stem below or above the cap it came from in case I find a few foes mixed in (Or vica versa).

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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: Byrain]
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ya see then they look like the gills of other black spored panaeolus species, i wouldnt miss that. i just havent ever found any. :shrug: wierd.


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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
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But see, this is what worries me--if there are other species that look the same and also have black spore prints, how can I be so sure these are subbs and not something else?

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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: myshkin]
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well they are Panaeolus sp. for sure so no matter what pan it is it wont kill you.


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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
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Ah, I see.  Will it not even make me sick?  I thought I had read that many pan species are "inedible".  In my experience with identifying plants other than mushrooms, something is usually called "inedible" if it won't kill you but will still make you fairly sick.

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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: myshkin]
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myshkin said:
But see, this is what worries me--if there are other species that look the same and also have black spore prints, how can I be so sure these are subbs and not something else?


Panaeolus cinctulus makes me sick (As well as trip), so can't say you won't, chances are, if you avoid heavy foods the day of the trip (The day after for me too) and all foods several hours before you trip and find some ginger tea you should be fine.

A strained mushroom tea can also help, as well as cannabis (I was eventually able to nullify the sick part for myself which was a bit worse then I've heard of before).

Edited for better phrasing.

Edited by Byrain (09/20/10 01:17 AM)

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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: Byrain]
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Well, here's all I managed to get.  And some of these I suspect aren't subbs--I may have further sorting to do.

I ran out and picked these when it was pretty dark out, after you all confirmed the ID.  I might try to find more when it's light.


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Re: ID - PNW subbs? lookalikes? [Re: myshkin]
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Check the spore print color.

Jet Black = subbs
Ambigious dark to brown = not subbs

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