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OfflineAristar
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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: QandA]
    #2703056 - 05/19/04 10:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

please don't eat mushrooms you don't know.


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Offlinephunkjunky311
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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: Aristar]
    #2703078 - 05/19/04 10:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

those are the most beautiful buds ive ever seen on maryjane. nice avatar


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OfflineQandA
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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: Aristar]
    #2703174 - 05/19/04 10:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Shroomy McShroom. I know that they are either Pan Foens or Pan Subbs, neither of which are harmful, so I'm not just going out and eating anything that I find. Thanks for the warning though! :smile:


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OfflineQandA
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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: QandA]
    #2704020 - 05/20/04 02:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Well, the verdict is in .... They were Pan Foens. It's been almost 2 hours now with no effect. I guess better luck next time... and there will be a next time!  :smile:


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Invisiblemjshroomer
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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: QandA]
    #2704790 - 05/20/04 10:21 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

WEll I posted this and I must have not sent the preview page forward.

They are opanaeolina foenisecii. No doubt about it. the majority are thin staklked and I see what could be bands of color. The stems are not like Sub stems, they are to smooth, no verticla groves up the stem and no filaments at the bottom half of the stem as sometimes seen in subbs. So they are foenisecii.

By the way everyone. There are at least 15 species of Panaeolus which are not psychoactive. The real one is P. subbalteatus and a few varients of that mushroom and then the six Copelandia species which are also sometimes referred to as panaeolus.

mj


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OfflineIpomoeaViolacea
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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2705063 - 05/20/04 12:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Instead of making a new thread, I thought I'd post this here, as I found, what I think are Panaeolus subbalteatus, in my yard yesterday. It stormed the day before, and I found three small patches of these. There was a certain degree of decomposing grass cuttings in each place I found these. However, I can't really decide whether they are Panaeolus subbalteatus or Panaeolina foenisecii.. I took a spore print, and it seemed to be black. It's pretty much my first year of mushroom picking, and I guess my paranoia is getting to me. I know this isn't the best picture, but could someone help me out?



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Invisibleangryshroom
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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: QandA]
    #2705124 - 05/20/04 12:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Thes were growing from grass you say?

Well, I mean, yes, you could have found subbalteatus, but, most likely those are indeed foeniescii. That bag pictured... Is that a little bag that they stick single beers in, or a grocery bag? Im guessing its a little bag.

Im pretty sure that they are indeed inactive Panaeolus, and you do have a mixed collection of mushrooms.

IT IS NOT WISE TO CONSUME THESE.



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Invisibleangryshroom
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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: IpomoeaViolacea]
    #2705136 - 05/20/04 12:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If they were growing in grass, and aren't very robust, you can say that they are probably a form of foeneiscii.


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OfflineIpomoeaViolacea
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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: angryshroom]
    #2705181 - 05/20/04 12:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

They are laying on a paper towel. Don't worry.. I was in no way planning on comsuming these without first knowing exactly what they were. I know there are two different species there.


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Invisibleangryshroom
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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: IpomoeaViolacea]
    #2705203 - 05/20/04 12:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Oh my first post was directed to QandA, the second one was to you :smile:


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Invisiblemjshroomer
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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: IpomoeaViolacea]
    #2705214 - 05/20/04 12:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Your shrooms are nothing more than Panaeolina foenisecii Maire.

mj

and have a shroomy ay


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Offlinethearmedforces
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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: QandA]
    #2705755 - 05/20/04 03:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Tell us the results.

Look at the sporeprint with a keen eye under a nice light because brown can look black if the light conditions aren't right. Also, P. Subb. have a hard to recognize type of bruising; the blue is often shadowed by the brown-red brusing. It can be really hard to tell.


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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: thearmedforces]
    #2706158 - 05/20/04 04:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I would say that the one with the biggest cap resembles a subb very well.


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Offlinefalseaddiction
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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: QandA]
    #2707528 - 05/20/04 07:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

that was dumb to eat those...they were not subbs, def. foeneiscii.
here are links to subbs i have found...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...ev=#Post2650446

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...part=1&vc=1


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum3&Number=1945963&Forum=,f3,&Words=&Searchpage=1&Limit=25&Main=1945963&Search=true&where=bodysub&Name=116122&daterange=1&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post1945963

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...ev=#Post1965536


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Invisiblemjshroomer
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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: falseaddiction]
    #2708262 - 05/20/04 10:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That was a really really, really long URL Fasleaddiction.

Also check my site for some of the most beautiful ever photographs by Angryshroom.

Here is a link to there.

http://www.mushroomjohn.com/species

Click on panaeolus subbalteatus.

mj


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Offlinefalseaddiction
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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2710865 - 05/21/04 01:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

ha, sorry about that...i think it came out that way because of how i search for it


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Offlineqwertyuiop2
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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: QandA]
    #2711785 - 05/21/04 05:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i got a question, if it looks like pan subbs, then couldn't you just eat a few and test it out, cause there aren't any deadly look a likes?
sorry if that sound slow and retarded, i am really high


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OfflineRebirtha
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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: qwertyuiop2]
    #2711794 - 05/21/04 05:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

you did it again mj..  :smirk:  www.mushroomjohn.com/species.htm


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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: qwertyuiop2]
    #2712280 - 05/21/04 07:18 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That wouldn't be smart, for mainly the reason that what's obviously a different mushroom to one person could easily be a lookalike to more of a newbie hunter. Until you ID it it'd be stupid to take your chances like that


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Offlinefalseaddiction
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Re: Pan Subbs??? [Re: Ravus]
    #2712392 - 05/21/04 07:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

you have to remeber to, not all species of mushrooms have been found, and you could come across soemthing posionus that no one knows about. Not likely , but could happen. Its not hard to get an ID, just get one...thats what everyone is here for.
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