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Pan Subbs?Please help ID
    #1957746 - 09/27/03 07:10 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

This is falseaddictions girlfriend and we found more in the herb garden but we just want to be sure! We are in Ohio. Also the first picture is from a yard , habitat was grass. The stems didnt seem to be as thick as the ones from the herb garden (the last 3 images) but i think they are them for sure. It rained a ton last night! Thanks for the help!




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Re: Pan Subbs?Please help ID [Re: trippychick]
    #1957787 - 09/27/03 07:32 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

Hey, do u think the top one could possibly be a psathyrella species. I saw koraks post and he had one on there that looked like that and he said it might be a psathyrella. Just an idea? There gills look a little more brown, but they are very wet too. They smell the same as my other pan subbs. thanks for you help, take it easy!

another pic of ones from herb garden :smile:


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Re: Pan Subbs?Please help ID [Re: falseaddiction]
    #1957856 - 09/27/03 08:03 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

they look like pan subs. But you should wait for a response from someone with more experience.


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Re: Pan Subbs?Please help ID [Re: falseaddiction]
    #1957863 - 09/27/03 08:06 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

I'd sort of like to see a size comparison to something. I have seen around in my grasss clippings (and grass) a couple times a year a real odd look alike that is smaller than a panaeolus subbalteatus (real small- about 2 or 3 in. BUT with tiny caps) but resembles it in every way- and drops a very dark print (is not black upon closer inspection- just seems to leave a heavy deposit. They are not though and they have an identical coloration- this I add because I am aware as you are that subs. are not exactly COMMON in such substrates (though not unheard of) and these might be them. The top mushroom in the third picture down most closely depicts it and I am dumbfounded by it- but if I remember correctly you added in the last post that you had enjoyed an actual exp. from them so if they are from the same place they probably are. Never know though. Good that you're still finding them if that's what they are.


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Re: Pan Subbs?Please help ID [Re: buddhathehut]
    #1957936 - 09/27/03 08:41 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

[edit: nevermind...]


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Re: Pan Subbs?Please help ID [Re: canid]
    #1957967 - 09/27/03 08:50 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

concretefeet: nevermind because they dont grow out here? SO do you think that they are pan. sub? THanks


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Re: Pan Subbs?Please help ID [Re: trippychick]
    #1958003 - 09/27/03 09:01 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

I'd put money on their ID as subbs. Take a sporeprint and let us know what color you get. I have seen another post from someone in Ohio who found subbs as well.

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Re: Pan Subbs?Please help ID [Re: trippychick]
    #1958512 - 09/28/03 12:43 AM (18 years, 25 days ago)

the first one are Panaeolina foenisecii no? am i mad?

these mushrooms are not active and have dark brown spore prints and brown gills when mature. they tend to grow on lawns all over the world.

take a spore print to be sure. the rest take a spore print too and if it is black and they are growing in the same area as the Panaeolus subbalteatus then they are probably subbs. all of the are Panaeolus and Panaeolina species. No Psytharella in there. am i mad?

is the pan in the last photo eaten out by maggots in the gills?


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Re: Pan Subbs?Please help ID [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #1958538 - 09/28/03 12:56 AM (18 years, 25 days ago)

nevermind because of the whitened edges of the gills and the almost black color of some of them. they appear to be subbs.


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Re: Pan Subbs?Please help ID [Re: trippychick]
    #1958546 - 09/28/03 12:58 AM (18 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

trippychick said:
Also the first picture is from a yard , habitat was grass.




i mean the first picture to be Panaeolina foenisecii, or did i misunderstand your post concrete. am i mad?


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Re: Pan Subbs?Please help ID [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #1959239 - 09/28/03 10:23 AM (18 years, 24 days ago)

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I saw koraks post and he had one on there that looked like that and he said it might be a psathyrella.




I understand why you say this. The cap colouration looks a bit like the psathyrellae I posted a couple of weeks ago. But otherwise, they defenitely don't look like that genus to me. I'll leave the real id-ing to the resident experts. They do look like something from the panaeolus species though, but I think that was already established.


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Re: Pan Subbs?Please help ID [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #1959793 - 09/28/03 03:51 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

The mushrooms in the first picture look like Panaeolina species.


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Re: Pan Subbs?Please help ID [Re: falcon]
    #1960190 - 09/28/03 06:15 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

the first pic is likely a panaeolina.

the others do apear to be Panaeolous subbalteatus.


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Re: Pan Subbs?Please help ID [Re: canid]
    #1960203 - 09/28/03 06:19 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

I think the first one is Panaeolina foenisecii i think. They grow like mad in the lawns in my part of ohio.


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Re: Pan Subbs?Please help ID [Re: baraka]
    #1960549 - 09/28/03 08:20 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

definately a mixed pick. not a dangerous one, but be careful.


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Re: Pan Subbs?Please help ID [Re: falseaddiction]
    #1961451 - 09/29/03 12:49 AM (18 years, 24 days ago)

Those look a lot like Panaeolus foenisecii to me.

If the spore print is a lighter shade of black, then they are probably foenisecii... If they are a dark black, then I guess you would have some more subbalteatus on your hands.

The gills dont look right to me on a few, however, I see like 2 mushrooms with gills that look more like subbalteatus. As Mitch said, I think you have a mixed batch.

Panaeolus foenisecii are usually much smaller.

Here is a picture of some younger subbalteatus I fould last year, look how thick the stalk is compared to the cap:



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Re: Pan Subbs?Please help ID [Re: trippychick]
    #1961456 - 09/29/03 12:50 AM (18 years, 24 days ago)

Oh, and wonderful quality on the pictures. Very nice.


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Re: Pan Subbs?Please help ID [Re: angryshroom]
    #1962373 - 09/29/03 11:45 AM (18 years, 23 days ago)

Thanks, i was figuring it the first set was a different kind of pan than a subb. I am although happy that my second batch was more subbs like i knew they were! Angryshroom....all of my subbs have big stems like that, thats why i knew there was something different about that top batch, they just didn't have the firmness the subbs usually do. Also, did u guys mean the top batch looked mixed? or the last 3 pictures? buddhathehut, I have been picking them there for about a month or so now, every 2 days I go and pick some more! How long do u think this will continue? Its only about 45 out now and raining a lot. Thanks for all your help, take it easy :smile:


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