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 Re: Bird seed users? 
#13217 - 04/19/00 07:04 PM (24 years, 4 months ago) |
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People say the Finch at walmart (penningtons?) is the best. My friend uses some wild bird seed which has the millet, sunflower, and other seeds. It works fine too.I heard the ideal is 2:1 millet:thistle seed.
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Anonymous
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Re: Bird seed users?
#13219 - 04/19/00 07:38 PM (24 years, 4 months ago) |
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I use Pennington brand Finch Seed from Walmart. Be carefull of mixes with sunflower seeds, a friend has seen contams starting around them, but no where else in the jar. I usually rinse in a strainer and then add vermiculite 2:1 birdseed:verm. The way I get the proper water ratio is to dump seed/verm into jar then fill with water and let sit for a couple of hours. Then hold strainer over mouth of jar and dump up-side down, letting all excess water run out. When there is just a drip every couple seconds, I install filter disc and ring and go to next jar. I pressure cook for 1 1/2 hr @ 15psi for quarts and 2-3 hrs for 1/2 gal jars. I am going to try and attach a pic of 3 jars (L-R) 9 days, 6 days, 3 days. The strain is PFMR (Fat Ass' for those who don't like them  ) If you have any more ?'s, I will be happy to try and help. 
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 maxxjones
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Re: Bird seed users?
#13220 - 04/19/00 08:58 PM (24 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice looking colonization there, chester. How were these quart (?) jars innoculated?
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Re: Bird seed users?
#13221 - 04/19/00 11:53 PM (24 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can't remember if I used the HEPA filtered glovebox or flowhood for these quarts (I use both and cannot stress the value of these, a glove box is cheap and easy to build and will pay for itself in no time), but I just barely open top and inject about 5cc of spore water. Shake at day 3 then again at day 6. At approx. day 12 I will take the best looking jar and inocculate about 101/2 gal jars of either bird seed or rye grain and those will be cased when they are fully colonized. Have had great sucess with this method.------------------
-ChesterCopperpott-
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 Humidity
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Registered: 04/01/00
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Re: Bird seed users?
#13222 - 04/19/00 10:36 PM (24 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for your help. I went to wal*mart today and found some Penningtion seed I can't wait to try it.  Great pic Chester.[This message has been edited by Humidity (edited April 20, 2000).]
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Anonymous
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Re: Bird seed users?
#13223 - 04/20/00 12:55 PM (24 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would only add that 'steeping' the seed for at least 40 minutes prior to autoclaving is reccommended by several 'sages' at this forum.Do a search on 'birdseed' and you can read for youself..GoodLuck.
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Anonymous
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Re: Bird seed users?
#13224 - 04/21/00 10:44 AM (24 years, 4 months ago) |
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I cannot agree with the steeping(to a certain point), but that is pretty much happening as the pressure cooker is heating up. Mine is an All-American 921 and is pretty big so it takes a while to heat up, 30-40 min. Steam for 5-10 min. Then p. cook for needed time. On a side not, Stamets says in his book "Bacteria can divide every twenty or so minutes. At this rate a single bacterium multiplies into more than a million cells in less than 10 hrs. In another 10 hrs, each one of those bacteria beget another million cell. If only a small fraction of one percent of thes contaminants survive the sterilization process, they can render grain spawn usless within only a few days." This is why I have limited my soaking or steaping time. That adds up to 1,000,000,000,000 possible bacteria cells from a single contaminant in less that a day. I've heard some say to let the grain soak overnight or for a day? Reading this has shed new light on that.P.S. If anyone is getting sick and tired of me quoting this stuff, just let me know. Seriously. ------------------
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Re: Bird seed users?
#13225 - 04/21/00 04:59 AM (24 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, thats good Chester..keepit comin'. I agree and thats why iv'e had better luck with seed versus rye grain.BTW, do you spawn your seed on hay, dung, or just case it?------------------
"A good shroom is like a 'sore' peter...You just can't hardly beat it"
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Anonymous
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Re: Bird seed users?
#13226 - 04/21/00 11:32 AM (24 years, 4 months ago) |
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JuanMatia, I do all 3. I have a rodeo junkie living in the area and he has about 15 horses and 20-30 true longhorn he likes to play with so I have an endless supply of fresh/near fresh manure. In the spring and fall, I like to do outside "gardens" using the manure and/or straw and grow indoors year round with grain casings. Since I also grow edibles, he thinks that is what it is for and is happy to let me collect all I want in exhange for a few pounds of Shiitake or King Oyster every now and then. I use one of those deep fry turky kits from Walmart to pasturize my straw, it comes with a basket, burner, stand, everything, just add propane. I use the same burner to PC the manure outside lol.------------------
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Anonymous
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Re: Bird seed users?
#13227 - 04/21/00 12:39 PM (24 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey Chester, sounds like a nice operation you got going! I live in a fairly small shack and don't have quite the resources available that you have, but i get by. I live down toward Mexico and its too damn hot to grow outside. Do you know of a way to sterilize straw or dung in the microwave(effectively)..Iv'e done it the old way but am trying to find a easier method? BTW, will try your method of water-content ratio versus my method and report back on test..Always open to suggestion..Thanks for the info.
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Anonymous
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Re: Bird seed users?
#13228 - 04/21/00 02:57 PM (24 years, 4 months ago) |
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JuanMatia, this is not a microwave version but is is without heat and can be done anywhere. Use Hydrated Lime or Mason's Lime from most any building supply store. Just use a 25-50 gallon tub and mix 1 pound of lime for each 25 gallons of water, make sure you mix evenly and be careful since this stuff can cause a chemical burn. Place straw into solution and allow to soak for about 15-20 hrs, then drain for another 2 or so. Make sure you inocculate within a few hours of draining. I usually lay a 3" layer into the bottom of a tub, sprinkle spawn, 3" layer, spawn and so on until it is about 15" deep. Compact with a few cinder block (compression is of great value here) and in about 15 day, you will be harvesting P. eryngii. It will take longer for psilicybe mushies. I usually use straw for oysters though. Manure and grain for the "others".------------------
-ChesterCopperpott-
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