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do i have some kind of anxiety disorder?
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ok im not sure how much of this is going to make sense but please have a read and see if you can help me.

i believe that ive got some kind of anxiety issue but i want to know if you guys n gals would agree? im just going to dive in and list the things that i feel and do, a list of my 'symptoms' if you will.

in social situations i feel i cant speak because everyone will think im stupid or il make a fool of myself, even if ive known the people for years. this got so bad that now i totally avoid going to places with people i dont know, bars, clubs etc. for fear of people thinking im a freak or an idiot.

any woman i speak to you i get clammed up for the same reasons as above.

i feel like im trapped inside my head like i cant do anything without my mind going overdrive thinking about what im doing and how to not make myself look the fool, i wish i could just live without thinking all the time.

i recently had to quit my job as i was having panic attacks just before setting off for work and while i was at work i was forever thinking that my work wasnt up to standard and that the people didnt like me.

do you guys think ive got some kind of anxiety disorder?

i do know that when i take benzos all of these feeling go completely

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Re: do i have some kind of anxiety disorder? [Re: dashel]
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ive also taken to avoiding speaking or gaining eye contact with people i know if im passing them in the street, which i know makes them think im weird which makes me think im weirder and oh my lord :frown:

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Re: do i have some kind of anxiety disorder? [Re: dashel]
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op, you should have a talk with a psycharist, a good one will be able to diagnose any disorder you have and dose you drugs as needed.


makes it easier, by a little bit at least


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Re: do i have some kind of anxiety disorder? [Re: Salomon]
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im worried about going to see a psych because of my drug use it is something i have considered though but im worried that the doctor wont listen or will think im just trying to get some drugs out of them as there is a big drug problem amongst young people in my area.

i have voiced concerns about my anxiety and panic before but i dont think the doc listened as i was primarily there for my anti depressant meds

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Re: do i have some kind of anxiety disorder? [Re: dashel]
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does anyone else have any opinions or am i just being silly?

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Re: do i have some kind of anxiety disorder? [Re: dashel]
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Sounds like social anxiety to me. I've dealt with similar issues, though not nearly as intense as what you describe.

If it's so severe that you had to quit your job, I'd say taking medication would be a reasonable step. If you can afford psychiatric help then I'd recommend seeking it. Just be honest with your doc, and if he or she is even remotely competent then you'll get some answers.


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Re: do i have some kind of anxiety disorder? [Re: NickSoapdish]
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NO NO NO! NO DRUGS! At least not anti-depressants/anti-psychotics and the like. If you could use psychedelics then it would be it ok. Anyway I would go see a psychiatrist. A good thing to try is self-hypnosis. Self-hypnosis cut it in half for me... and works even better for others. Also....5g's alone in the dark will give you some insights.:wink:

All the drugs are going to do is help you in the short term and ruin you in the long term. And isn't that what your aiming for? A long term fix? Considering the extremity of the situation though, I think it could be necessary to use some kind of anti-depressant for a week or two, but no more.

Also, diet and exercise man...fixes a lot of shit. What is your current diet? Are you getting any physical activity? Any physical activity will raise Serotonin levels and i'm pretty sure Dopamine levels can be raised by exercise too. Thatll make you feel better.

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Re: do i have some kind of anxiety disorder? [Re: NickSoapdish]
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yeah I had never had it that bad either, I can completely relate to the feeling though. oddly jwh-018 had a 1-2 day aftereffect of making my anxiety much less and aniracetam also helped a lot. Then I was able to learn how to get over it from having experience with a lot less anxiety.

From my own experience it seems like a lot of things can be solved just by making sure your brain is at it's optimal health(eating well, nutritional supplements, exercise, sleep habits). certain nutritional supplements really helped. fish oil I'd recommend a lot, citicoline feels like it would have definitely helped at the time, and aniracetam would almost definitely help. you can get all of these for cheap off the internet.


scientific reasoning for aniracetam(since it seems perfect for anxiety)(please forgive me for the large amount of text :happyweed:):
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After a confirmed test of the anxiolytic efficacy in a mouse model, haloperidol, mecamylamine, and ketanserin were applied to determine the pathways aniracetam depends on to exert its anti-anxiety effects. Haloperidol completely reversed the anxiolytic effects, and mecamylamine and ketanserin nearly completely reversed the effects. This shows that aniracetam's anxiolytic mechanism is facilitated by D2/D3, nACh, and 5-HT2A receptors



note that  "Ketanserin is drug with affinity for multiple G protein-coupled receptors (GPCR). Initially it was believed to be a highly selective antagonist for serotonin 5-HT2A receptors, however this is not true. Ketanserin only has weak selectivity for 5-HT2A receptors over 5-HT2C receptors (~20-30 fold)."
so possibly it is involved with both 5ht2a and 5ht2c..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniracetam

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Muscarinic cholinergic activation may play a role in the improvement of circadian temporal regulation of behavior seen with aniracetam treatment, while the anxiolytic and antidepressant effects appear to be mediated by nicotinic receptor activation, as they can be blocked by the nicotinic ACh receptor antagonist mecamylamine [27, 37].



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Administration of aniracetam to SHRSP, which normally have dopaminergic hypofunction, increases dopamine (DA) and serotonin (5-HT) release in the prefrontal cortex, basolateral amygdala, and dorsal hippocampus, areas which play important roles in regulation of emotion and mood, motivation, sleep-wakefulness, and cognition [29] [37]. Aniracetam also prevents the age-related decrease in monoamine levels in rats [38]. The monoaminergic effects have been primarily attributed to the metabolites N-anisoyl-GABA and p-anisic acid [2].

Both cholinergic and glutamatergic stimulation are involved in aniracetam-induced monoamine release [2]. Both stimulation of nicotinic cholinergic receptors and consequently NMDA receptors and a direct effect on NMDA receptors in the ventral tegmental area and dorsal raphe nucleus may respectively lead to an increase in dopamine and both dopamine and serotonin [27]. In short, there are many experimentally supported mechanisms by which aniracetam increases monoamine levels, including cholinergic-monoaminergic, glutamatergic-monoaminergic, and cholinergic-glutamatergic-monoaminergic interactions [2]. Behaviorally, the increases in DA and 5-HT are implicated in the anxiolytic and antidepressant effects of aniracetam, and partially implicated in other effects, such as improved temporal regulation of behavior [2, 27].



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There have also been a number of studies on healthy adult or young animals, with either positive or equivocal results. Gouliaev and Senning reference studies showing aniracetam to improve learning in healthy monkeys, as well as studies showing it to improve passive avoidance, learning, and maze performance in healthy rats at dosages ranging from 30-50 mg/kg i.p. and 12.5-800 mg/kg orally [1]. Other literature has commented on aniracetam's ability to improve cognitive function in healthy animals [18].



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Like other nootropics, aniracetam is very safe, although it may be slightly more toxic than piracetam. The LD50 is 4.5 g/kg orally in rats and 5.0 g/kg orally in mice [1]; for an 80 kg human, this would equate to over 500 times the standard dose of 1.5 g. Animal studies have not found evidence of toxic effects in normal animals, no teratogenic effects have been found, and aniracetam does not influence food intake in rodents [1, 3, 24]. Monkeys do not self-administer aniracetam, and after 31 days of daily dosing, no physical or behavioral withdrawal symptoms are observed upon discontinuation [34].

No drug interactions are known and there are no reported cases of overdose. It is recommended that those with renal insufficiency lower their dose however [24]. In human trials, side effects are rare, but some have been reported, such as insomnia and anxiety. These side effects disappear if the doses are restricted to earlier in the day [24], indicating that they are due to aniracetam’s stimulating effect.




http://www.mindandmuscle.net/node/387

Subjective evidence:

I have experience that makes me think it does indeed normalize activity at the 5ht-2a and 5ht-2c(supposedly thought to cause most psychedelic anxiety) receptors like what was found in the above studies. On a medium dose or higher of psychedelics the same type of social anxiety I had before comes back out much worse than it ever was, probably even worse than yours, if I have to interact with anyone who doesn't know I'm tripping or that I don't know well(I've gotten that under control though).  Aniracetam actually greatly lessens the visuals, any confusion, social anxiety, and over stimulation(you don't really want to take it when you trip if you want to trip at max potential, but it doesn't kill the trip completely and does make it a lot calmer). This, along with the other mechanisms stated above, is what really makes me think it would help almost anyone with anxiety in some way. It definitely helped me keep from over analyzing everything and having racing thoughts in social situations. It also did wonders for the physical side of anxiety, like stuttering/mixing words, moving around, nervous shaking, sweating..whatever else. It wasn't perfect though, some unwanted anxiety still persisted.

I also convinced a friend to order some to see if it would help him and he said it gives him better memory, less fear, and interest in assignments and learning.

if you search my posts you will find that I can't help recommending aniracetam(and lots of other information about it), but I strive to help and it seems like such a unknown yet great thing. I wrote this 11 months ago sums up the other beneficial effects quite well, http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10854680#10854680

good luck, I'm sure you will get over it. Maybe also get some benzos, but don't for too long or the withdrawal will be terrifying.

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Re: do i have some kind of anxiety disorder? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
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Sounds a lot like social anxiety disorder. I have the same thing and am a third year psychology major and have all these same symptoms. I have been prescribed xanax and klonopin over the years for it, but of course there's the tolerance... you should see a therapist about it though, I hear they help a lot of people.

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Re: do i have some kind of anxiety disorder? [Re: TM2443]
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im going to go see the doctor tomorrow hopefully, i want medication ive struggled with this for so long and have tried to many self help methods.

i feel if i dont get prescribed something im a lost cause.

thank you all for your replies thus far

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Re: do i have some kind of anxiety disorder? [Re: dashel]
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your fine its just natural inhibitions

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Re: do i have some kind of anxiety disorder? [Re: lines]
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these inihibitions have a had a very large negative impact on my life, the job i had to quit was my very first job and i really enjoying the work but couldnt handle nearly bursting into teatrs every five minutes

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Re: do i have some kind of anxiety disorder? [Re: dashel]
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Hey brother. I've got pretty much the same symptoms as you. And i have to say that diet and exercise has helped me no end.

Once you get a nice pattern going it begins to get eisier to think more optimisticaly.

One thing i noticed when i could feel myself recovering was that id like make up senarios in my head in likly social situations i could be in, and then when i was in thos situations i kind of had a point of reference, if that makes any sense. Not like a premeditated conversation, but sort of.

I woulddn't use medicinal drugs either, and good doctors are few and far between. Paper means fuck all to me. You've got to remember most of them are so fucking wound up in text books that they just cant help you at all, because there is so much stuff that a book cannot tell you.

Perhaps in your case they may learn something from you as their patient and help someone els in the future better. Or the more likly scenario, they'll just give you a perscrition and give themselves a big pat on the back.

Not all doctors are fwits though, so you might be lucky.


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Re: do i have some kind of anxiety disorder? [Re: Crumpet]
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Do you smoke a lot of weed, like daily? We learned in a social psychology class there is a correlation between the two. As far as I know no studies have been done to prove causation either way.

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Re: do i have some kind of anxiety disorder? [Re: dashel]
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Definitely social anxiety. There's an audio series called "Overcoming Social Anxiety". You can find in on http://thepiratebay.org/. It's working really well for me.


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Re: do i have some kind of anxiety disorder? [Re: seylm]
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See a shrink. I got put on Celexa which is fairly 'clean' and it has made me alot more social, without the thought/pause/action thing.  Don't tell em about your drug use, though I told my shrink I smoked pot. he didn't judge me as an addict over that. He also gave me valium 5mg to take twice a day.  I don't often take it, but sometimes I do and feel a bit better. Shrinks have a huge array of drugs to choose from. My advice is not to abuse any sort of drug they give you.  You can't abuse SSRIs anyway as it makes no difference in the effect.


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Re: do i have some kind of anxiety disorder? [Re: eve69]
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Maybe you should get a little more aggresive.
Like all of that seems like a self esteem problem, too. I don't know. But maybe there are reasons why you have these anxieties and maybe there are behaviour patterns behind it which you probably always had, and others which you just got over time. So you slipped into it deeper and deeper and what worked out for you years ago - avoiding complicated situations - has now become an inadequate subconcient standard.
That's just what I had/have in my life. It is not easy to get rid of it but it has to do with opening your mouth, talking to people, looking them straight in the eyes and just keeping cool, learning to suppress stress when it is noc adequate.
I bet you have problems with exams too.
It is probably better that you go to a psychological councelling, because there are a lot of patterns in your mind which may multiply each other. Acknowledging them on your own takes a lot of time and sometimes really brings you to your knees...

God bless you.

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