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Invisiblethe_Landotter
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Shuttle Disaster & the Timewave: A Defense
    #1272736 - 02/03/03 05:36 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I spent all day Saturday answering phone calls from friends. All of them had the same question...

?Holy shit! The shuttle just blew up! What does the Timewave have to say about that??

...and so on.

Answer: the Timewave says nothing. Period.

At the moment of the explosion, hell, for hours previous to the explosion and hours after the explosion, the wave barely registers a blip. We are in a smooth upward climb out of novel experience for at least another three months. Things are very predictable right now.

?Well, the fuckin? Timewave must be wrong then! This is big! The shuttle blew up man!?

Yes, the shuttle blew up. And it blew up once before. This is not a novel event. Seven people died in what was, essentially, a vehicle accident. A large, expensive, highly technical space-faring vehicle, but a vehicle nonetheless. This is not a novel event, particularly when measured against the history of the Universe. People die in vehicle accidents worldwide all the time. This particular accident was spectacular and tragic but all such events share those qualities. I really feel for the families and friends of the astronauts.

But such a thing makes hardly a ripple in Time?s fabric.

I had to field the same sort of questions around 9/11 too. Mostly from American friends. All that can be said about THAT event is that it came a little after a meteoric rise towards predictable behaviour and was followed by a month or two of indecisiveness and then a super-steep plunge towards unpredictability. Which we are just climbing out of now.

But 9/11, despite its audacity and horror and innovative means, was just another bunch of crazy humans attacking other humans.

And that?s been going on for as long as there have been humans.

I can't help thinking that a REALLY NOVEL EVENT would be one 24 hour period where no one person on the planet died needlessly because of stupidity or greed, violence or apathy. What would a day like that do to the wave? Live in hope.

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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Shuttle Disaster & the Timewave: A Defense [Re: the_Landotter]
    #1272762 - 02/03/03 05:51 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

However, if the TimeWave HAD actually shown a blip on 9/11 or during the recent Challenger tragedy, then the proponents would have have been waving their printouts in glee, shouting "See, there is something to this."

Therein lies the beauty of non-science like this. You can make a "reasonable" explanantion for or against the outcome no matter what.


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Invisiblethe_Landotter
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Re: Shuttle Disaster & the Timewave: A Defense [Re: Swami]
    #1272793 - 02/03/03 06:02 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I can't help thinking that a REALLY NOVEL EVENT would be one 24 hour period where Swami didn't post anything.

Fuck man, it's only a model. Just like every other model.

Relax. Don't Do It. Maybe get out of L.A. once in a while.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Shuttle Disaster & the Timewave: A Defense [Re: the_Landotter]
    #1272806 - 02/03/03 06:13 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

An EVEN MORE NOVEL EVENT would be one where LandOtter didn't personalize a Swami post.



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Re: Shuttle Disaster & the Timewave: A Defense [Re: the_Landotter]
    #1272929 - 02/03/03 07:04 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

i like a lot of what mckenna had to say, but i think his timewave theory is another one of these hocus pocus new age doomsday precepts.


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Re: Shuttle Disaster & the Timewave: A Defense [Re: Swami]
    #1273060 - 02/03/03 07:48 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

hehe I really loved all of Terence's "material" except all this timewave scum..


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Re: Shuttle Disaster & the Timewave: A Defense [Re: Strumpling]
    #1273149 - 02/03/03 08:13 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I really liked how in "True Hallucinations" the McKennas thought that by consuming some mushrooms and some vine and having a vision, that people all over the world would stop going to work. "Can we call the press conference yet?"


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Re: Shuttle Disaster & the Timewave: A Defense [Re: Swami]
    #1273211 - 02/03/03 08:29 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I didn't say I believed any of it..... I really enjoy reading/hearing his thinking behind his ideas, but his timewave stuff gets really boring IMO.

You don't think he was brilliant and fascinating, aside from totally insane?


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Re: Shuttle Disaster & the Timewave: A Defense [Re: Strumpling]
    #1273238 - 02/03/03 08:37 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Do we know if smoking synthesized DMT cyrstals can give you brain cancer?


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Shuttle Disaster & the Timewave: A Defense [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #1273246 - 02/03/03 08:39 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

We "know" that it may lead you to draw erroneous conclusions about the nature of reality.

(And yes, Strump, I do find TM to be fascinating, but pretty far out.)


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Re: Shuttle Disaster & the Timewave: A Defense [Re: Swami]
    #1273417 - 02/03/03 09:19 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Just as not smoking DMT may lead to erroneous conclusions about the nature of perception.  :wink: 


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Re: Shuttle Disaster & the Timewave: A Defense [Re: Swami]
    #1283532 - 02/06/03 04:36 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

I really liked how in "True Hallucinations" the McKennas thought that by consuming some mushrooms and some vine and having a vision, that people all over the world would stop going to work. "Can we call the press conference yet?" 




Well, if we would all do it at the same time. His conclusion might happen.  :grin: 


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Re: Shuttle Disaster & the Timewave: A Defense [Re: Strumpling]
    #1289691 - 02/07/03 08:47 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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---------------------------Time Zero In Radiometric Dating------------------------------

Although the timezero events of signifincance in radiometric dating appear quite diverse, they share one common factor; they all involve the assemblege of a group of atoms into configuration, which, with the exception of nuclear disentegration effects, is ideally retained to this day. In most cases, the atomic assemblages of interest exist in the solid state, into which they were assembled by such processes as crystallization, surface adsorbtion, photosynthesis, and animal metabolism. Among these, crystalization is of greatest importance geologically and encompasses such specific mechanism as the cooling of magma to become igneous, metamorphism of pre-existing rock material, and organic or inorganic precipitation of matter previously dissolved in different aqueous environments(e.g. lakes, ground water, or the oceans). In a few situations involving short lived radioisotopes such as carbon-14 and hydrogen 3 (tritium), the sample material is liquid--specifically, water. At time zero such water was removed from intimate contact with the atmosphere, which was the source of its radioactive components. Table 2 lists the time-zero events for different sample types dated by radioactivity.
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From the Encyclopedia Britanica Macropedia vol. 5. (as above so below)
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Time Zero Events for Different sample Types Dated by Radioactivity


Sample : Igneous Rock

Time Zero Event: time of crystallization from magma.
"actually, time zero is the moment the rock cooled to the point at which it became a closed system; although the rock body dated did not experience its time-zero event simultaneously in all parts, the interval is almost always negligible in relation to subsequent time."

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Re: Shuttle Disaster & the Timewave: A Defense [Re: Fliquid]
    #1289721 - 02/07/03 08:54 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

lol Fliquid that's cool :smile:


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Re: Shuttle Disaster & the Timewave: A Defense [Re: the_Landotter]
    #1289766 - 02/07/03 09:12 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

For anybody that has a clue what Terence Mckenna is talking about knows that unlike most people that have a theory on a large scale amazing future event he doesn't think it is dooms day. And the shuttle that crashed wasn't a very big event on a wide scale, it killed very few people, and more people die every day. The big events on his scale are things like world war II.


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