suimush said:

this does resemble acoounts of clinical anxiety pretty well. I consider talking to a doctor about it.

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WTF can a doctor do about it?

suimush said:

this does resemble acoounts of clinical anxiety pretty well. I consider talking to a doctor about it. These kind of conditions are hard to treat because of the wide range of possible contributing factors. Seems that your doing everything you can to help the situation. Keep eating right, exerscising and talk to a doctor. You have to force yourself to get over. Put yourself out there and accept the anxiety.

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circastes said:

Stop smoking weed. (gave me anxiety, panic attacks and eventually schizophrenia)

Take 5-HTP or tryptophan. (serotonin imbalance causes anxiety, panic attacks)

Go for walks, perhaps in Nature? (exercise gets all sorts of brain chemicals going)


If it's getting to the point of frequent panic attacks go see a psychiatrist. There might be an effective SxRI medication for you.

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Funny thing is when I get high my anxiety is greatly reduced, I feel sort of like my easy going goofy old self again. I can't tell if weed makes my anxiety worse when I'm sober. I've had anxiety long before I started toking. I've been doing a lot of reading about 5HTP and tryptophan so I might give them a shot. Do you have experience with taking them? Taking a nice jog through some nature trails sounds like an excellent idea I will try that when it warms up  Thanks for the advice

MushroomTrip said:

suimush said:

this does resemble acoounts of clinical anxiety pretty well. I consider talking to a doctor about it.

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WTF can a doctor do about it?

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MushroomTrip said:

A doctor would most possibly prescribe him some meds; why would he want to take meds for something as simple and fixable as anxiety? There are some thoughts that are going on in his mind in the moment he is feeling anxiety, thoughts which also create this unpleasant somatic reaction known as anxiety, and pills, while very effective at taking care most of the somatic symptoms, do nothing to help him change the destructive thoughts that are going on in his mind.
I just think that it seems more preferable that he takes case of the real cause, rather than of a mere effect.

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Good lord, you think anxiety is "simple and fixable" for everyone? The business end of your crackpipe musta been hot to the touch when you wrote that post. There's a lot of people who'd be totally unable to function without meds (or therapy) for their debilitating anxiety. The causes of anxiety can be extremely complex and ingrained as well, and while any effective treatment should focus those, you also have to be able to get through life, to say nothing of enjoying it, in the meantime...which can be a long road for some people, and in some cases one that never ends. Never had this sort of anxiety myself but I know several people who have/do and it really burdens them beyond belief. Terrible advice

Grok said:

Good lord, you think anxiety is "simple and fixable" for everyone? The business end of your crackpipe musta been hot to the touch when you wrote that post. There's a lot of people who'd be totally unable to function without meds (or therapy) for their debilitating anxiety. The causes of anxiety can be extremely complex and ingrained as well, and while any effective treatment should focus those, you also have to be able to get through life, to say nothing of enjoying it, in the meantime...which can be a long road for some people, and in some cases one that never ends. Never had this sort of anxiety myself but I know several people who have/do and it really burdens them beyond belief. Terrible advice

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Whoa, no need to get all hysterical.
Before continuing this discussion, please tell me if there is any objective proof that shows that some people will not be able to handle their anxiety without drugs. Anxiety is a nasty thing to be experienced, and, just by its bare nature, it can lead one into thinking that nothing can be done and that they have absolutely no control over it. It feels this way, like I said, because anxiety has all those scary and unpleasant somatic manifestations that add up to the mental symptoms. When your heart is racing like hell, when you're sweating from everywhere, and when your legs are shaking like you don't know if they're yours anymore, the reflex is to think that there's nothing you could possibly do to consciously control it, but then there's so much proof of successful therapy that shows exactly how much this problem can be fixed from a psychological perspective, of course, if the strategy of the therapy is a smart one.
So yeah, the fact that some of the people you know take meds to alleviate the symptoms doesn't mean shit when it comes to trying to prove that there are kinds of anxiety that just can't be figured out from a conscious perspective. You are always free to show scientific evidence for you claims, and, if you can't, then take your crap elsewhere.

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Yeah, I'm sure that therapy is probably one of the best solutions to anxiety problems (just based on what I've read), but these issues can take years to resolve

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and in the meantime it can be quite helpful for people to take drugs to counteract the negative impacts.

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What you imply by stating that

   
   

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is that there is absolutely no utility in looking into the option of meds for anxiety.

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Please quote passage from my posts where I stated that there's absolutely no utility in taking meds, when I have clearly stated:

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pills, while very effective at taking care most of the somatic symptoms, do nothing to help him change the destructive thoughts that are going on in his mind.

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Actually this statement you made implies that there is no utility in seeking professional help in general for this affliction.

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Because psychotherapeutic help isn't professional enough for you?

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I'm willing to bet there are hundreds of thousands or even millions of people with a lot more firsthand experience than you or I who would hotly contest that claim, or just laugh at it.

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Like OMG, this comment was so cool, that it like totally changed my perspective! 
I'm pretty sure that you're right though, about the part where hundreds of thousand of people wouldn't agree with me or would even laugh at it. This doesn't mean they have any clue what they're talking about, obviously. Quantity ≠ quality.

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Perhaps meds aren't the ultimate solution to anxiety, but to say that they could do nothing to help is absolutely bogus.

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Which is why I didn't say that.

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Every case is unique and you can't honestly believe that your mere words of encouragement are the ultimate fix for all cases of anxiety.

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Which is why I didn't say that either.

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Sounds messianic to me.

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Probably the voices in your head, because I didn't make any of those claims.

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Clearly, you cannot relate to people who've had deep anxiety problems, and it therefore seems disingenuous to give advice to them.

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"Clearly", since you know me so well.
Actually, leaving your unsubstantiated crap aside, I had experienced a shit load of anxiety in the past, that sometimes it felt so strong as though my heart would literally explode, which is one of the reasons why I actually know what I am talking about.

DimensionX said:

I think one of the keys to beating social anxiety is stop looking for approval from others. You get nervous because you worry about what other people think about you, you need their validation and are scared that if you don't get it, it will hurt your self esteem or make you embarrassed. When you stop needing their approval and stop caring what they think about you, you have nothing to fear. You need to learn to find value in yourself and from yourself, not from other people.

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