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Re: Why Do Established Rappers With A Lot Of Money [Re: learningtofly]
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learningtofly said:
Sampling still involves work, i don't get how it's lame.

it isn't like they are using an exact copy of someone else's song and replacing the vocals.



A lot of rapper's success is SIMPLY because of the music of another artist's.Not because the rapping has it's own flow.


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Re: Why Do Established Rappers With A Lot Of Money [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said:
I don't even know who GirlTalk is.



If memory serves correctly, some videos were posted on here, and it was shit, not positive it was them though.


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Re: Why Do Established Rappers With A Lot Of Money [Re: Shroomism]
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http://www.youtube.com/user/feedtheanimals?blend=1&ob=4

Yeah, sorry... that's not original music.

That's taking a mish-mash of other bands shit, and doing it slightly different.

And it's not even interesting, or catchy.


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Re: Why Do Established Rappers With A Lot Of Money [Re: Shroomism]
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Gillis began making music while a student at Chartiers Valley High School in the Pittsburgh suburb of Bridgeville. After a few collaborative efforts, he started the solo "Girl Talk" project. He continued making music under the Girl Talk alias while studying biomedical engineering at Case Western Reserve University  in Cleveland, Ohio. He produces mashup-style remixes, in which he uses often a dozen or more unauthorized samples from different songs to create a new song. The New York Times Magazine has called his music "a lawsuit waiting to happen,"[2]  a criticism that Gillis has attributed to mainstream media that want "to create controversy where it doesn't really exist," citing fair use  as a legal backbone for his sampling practices.[3]

He has given different explanations for the origin of his stage name, once saying that it alluded to a Jim Morrison poem[4] and once saying that it alluded to an early Merzbow side project.[5] Most recently, he attributed the name to a grunge band called TAD, based in Seattle.[6] In a 2009 interview with FMLY, Gillis stated:

    [T]he name Girl Talk is a reference to many things, products, magazines, books. It’s a pop culture phrase. The whole point of choosing the name early on was basically to just stir things up a little within the small scene I was operating from. I came from a more experimental background and there were some very overly serious, borderline academic type electronic musicians. I wanted to pick a name that they would be embarrassed to play with. You know Girl Talk sounded exactly the opposite of a man playing a laptop, so that’s what I chose.[7]

In school, Gillis focused on tissue engineering. He later worked as an engineer, but quit in May 2007 to focus solely on music.




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Re: Why Do Established Rappers With A Lot Of Money [Re: deCypher]
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I'd argue that creatively using samples certainly counts as making original music; after all if you're making electronic music you're technically using a "sample" of each note to compose the piece.


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Re: Why Do Established Rappers With A Lot Of Money [Re: deCypher]
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Yeah, I can dig that.
But the fact is I just listened to 3 of their songs and didn't find anything remotely interesting.
There is a difference between creatively using/modifying samples to create something new and interesting... and just rehashing popular hooks and ghetto rapping over them.
But that is just..... meh. I don't see the creativity in it :shrug:


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Re: Why Do Established Rappers With A Lot Of Money [Re: Shroomism]
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Well I don't personally enjoy the band; I was just saying that you can't discount it as being non-original just because it's almost entirely comprised of samples.


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Re: Why Do Established Rappers With A Lot Of Money [Re: deCypher]
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Mr. Cypher said:
I'd argue that creatively using samples certainly counts as making original music; after all if you're making electronic music you're technically using a "sample" of each note to compose the piece.



There's difference when you can clearly know which track it was taken from.Ever hear that terrible Black Eyed Peas song that used Misirlou by Dick Dale & The Del-tones?Worst disgrace in sampling history.

But this isn't about disgracing samples really, it's just about rappers not even getting their own beats.


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Re: Why Do Established Rappers With A Lot Of Money [Re: SprewellSleeve]
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SprewellSleeve said:
still use samples for beats and stuff so much?It's pretty pathetic.





so this is no good because the beat is comprised of samples?


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Edited by learningtofly (03/25/10 01:40 PM)

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Re: Why Do Established Rappers With A Lot Of Money [Re: SprewellSleeve]
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Well yeah, if you've got enough money you should definitely make your own beats.


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Re: Why Do Established Rappers With A Lot Of Money [Re: deCypher]
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Well I just discounted it as being non-original not based on the samples, but because it sounded completely non-original to my music-listening ears. 

I can show you plenty of good progressive trance artists that use samples, mixed in with their own work... and it sounds phenomenal. That would be a good example for making a case.

And I know several rap artists who do it VERY successfully as well..take cunninlynguists for example.

But again... samples in moderation. If you base 100% of your art on sampling other peoples shit... chances are its gonna suck balls imo.


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Re: Why Do Established Rappers With A Lot Of Money [Re: Shroomism]
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cunninlynguists are quality

skinny puppy is another band that uses a prodigious amount of samples but they're industrial rather than rap


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Re: Why Do Established Rappers With A Lot Of Money [Re: learningtofly]
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learningtofly said:
SprewellSleeve said:
still use samples for beats and stuff so much?It's pretty pathetic.





so this is no good because the beat is comprised of samples?



I don't have a problem with rappers using it sometimes, I'm talking about basing your CAREER off of it.


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Edited by SprewellSleeve (03/25/10 01:42 PM)

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Re: Why Do Established Rappers With A Lot Of Money [Re: deCypher]
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And half the reason cunninlynguists are so quality.. is because that they are TRULY original. With fresh beats.

And they don't just sample the same old shit everyone else samples from other rap artists from the past 10 years.
They sample old school R&B beats, jazz, world music.. rock.. they don't discriminate.



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Re: Why Do Established Rappers With A Lot Of Money [Re: SprewellSleeve]
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As long as they can pull it off i have no problem with it, check this out for example



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