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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Adamist]
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I just listened to an online interview with James Arthur about the Amanita muscaria mushroom and the origins of Christmas. He claims the Ouroboros is all about drinking your own urine.

I claim he's a quack.


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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Adamist]
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TOLTEC CHICHEN ITZA; Yucatan, Mexico 1994
DEITY emanating from Serpents Jaw



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"an immigrant from heaven on earth with a work visa"

Edited by kREATION1 (12/26/02 12:44 PM)

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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Adamist]
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to expand on the idea - the snake swallowing its body is a symbol, that ,if we follow the train of thought it offers, we will come to discover a certain realisation or understanding that is of some interest.
if you view it as the snake endlessly expanding as it spews out its body and follow that direction...

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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: kREATION1]
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more tail-devourerers over here http://www.alchemylab.com/ouroboros.htm



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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: mr crisper]
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Yes it is a symbol, and I think the reason that it was shown to me was because I was sending out a call for help, as I was in great distress and fear... I was basically doubting the reason for existence itself... Then my state was changed from doubt to pure fear, as this "presence" was felt. It was reptilian and male in nature, and it felt more like a group or species rather than a single entity. This force sent these waves towards me, these waves of thought... It looked at me as an ant on an ant hill. Then it entered me.

I understood that this was the same force that is metaphorically referred to as the "serpent" in the Garden, the one who offered humans knowledge. In one of those links it talks about Ea/Enki and how they are actually part of the Annunaki, not exactly "extra-terrestrials" because they lived on Earth before, long ago... This goes back to Mesopotamian and ancient Egyptian times.

The Ouroboros is the connection between man and God.


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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: RebelSteve33]
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RebelSteve33 proclaims:

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I just listened to an online interview with James Arthur about the Amanita muscaria mushroom and the origins of Christmas. He claims the Ouroboros is all about drinking your own urine.

I claim he's a quack.



I don't know about your particular level of initiation but I can tell you from my own understanding that Mr. Arthur is correct. Of course you might receive or read one interpretation and become proud in thine own wisdom, being puffed up to the point of being unable to understand multiple interpretations but a famous Prague mystic told me this secret many years ago. In Prague we have many such mystics and you may want to check into this also very infamous is the Amanita muscaria. Understanding comes with many faces. You would do well not to point fingers and call names without being much more aware of what you are talking about. Even Etymologically the Greek word Ouroborus is connected to Ouron (Urine) and Ourea (to make water) even the chemical Urea (found in the urine) comes from the same word. It makes good policy to never consider there to be only one esoteric meaning to a symbol and keep in mind that the likelihood of the real meaning being found in the Encyclopaedia Americana is very unlikely.

All the best, G. Wynn

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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: NNDIMITRI]
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It makes good policy to never consider there to be only one esoteric meaning to a symbol and keep in mind that the likelihood of the real meaning being found in the Encyclopaedia Americana is very unlikely.


Great advice! Especially when reading Aleister Crowley and Tool lyrics.  :grin:

The meaning you get from it directly depends on your level of initiation or personal evolution. 


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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Adamist]
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The meaning you get from it directly depends on your level of initiation or personal evolution.

I hear ya buddy!  :wink:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Adamist]
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Here is a relevant (somewhat, I think) quotation from the Taittriya Upanishad:

The one who gives me
will indeed eat me.

I am food!
I eat him who eats the food!
I have conquered the whole universe!
I am like the light in the firmament!


I think the serpent eating its tail is an image of the universe creating itself as it consumes itself. We eat other life and in turn will ourselves be eaten (by worms at least, and perhaps even sooner than that, by viruses, etc.)

Cool though that you saw that while tripping. One thing I see a lot is images of palms of hands with eyes in them. That too seems to be a common archetype. Has anybody else seen that? Any idea what that means?

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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: MountainMist]
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Wow I had not read that Upanishad, thanks. :smile:

I agree with all of your thoughts on the meaning behind it... it all correlates with what I sensed during the trip. By the way, hands with eyes in them is a common theme in  Alex Grey's work.   


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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Adamist]
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I think theres a lot of things from the past. the meaning and knoledge as been lost, but they still go on. Those Russian dolls where the smallest one fits inside the bigger one, then that goes into a bigger one etc, i think there is something in those, but im not quite sure. while i was peaking they came into my mind, i havnt seen any for years, and would never normaly think about then. anyone got a pic of em?
i understood their meaning for the moment i saw them, but lost it...

i also vagely saw an image in my head, i think it might be buddest...anyway, i think the people who created all these things were onto something, and its just been lost through time.


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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: The_Clash_UK]
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Those Russian dolls where the smallest one fits inside the bigger one, then that goes into a bigger one etc, i think there is something in those, but im not quite sure.


That is interesting... Maybe it represents something like different types of energy "bodies" around our physical bodies, such as the mental, emotional, spiritual, astral, etc... Alot of different books I've read have mentioned that there are numerous different energy bodies that surround our own bodies, what some call auras. :smile:

Maybe Jung was on to something when he talked about the Universal Being and Collective Memories... It seems that certain symbols have existed from the earliest beginnings of homo sapiens, such as the serpent, and usually a mother-goddess figure, and many versions of "bird" or flying gods. I think certain archetypes exist within all of us...

Damn I need to read up on some Jung. Anyone know where to start? 


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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: RebelSteve33]
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The dolls are called Matryoshkas or common Nesting dolls. They were in old times (original) representing apples and mushrooms or eggs. The attached photo shows Matryoshkas depicting Baba Yaga (Mushroom witch of the Forest) and the King of the forest (wearing Amanita muscaria hat) with his zombie wife. These are very popular Christmas presents which are representing the Amanita muscaria also.



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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Zero7a1]
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ive heard so many different interpretation of "the serpent". now im just coming to realize okay some people FUCKED it up. and inserted wrong meanings. duality is bad! but balance and a natural order is good, cause like if you have to totally opposing thoughts in your head constantly it can drive you CR eh ZeeY . but anyway, these links clear things up , ahhhhh *sigh of relief*.



Balance cannot exist without duality

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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Remy]
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its a fallacy sometimes... you think of balance but then you are caught in the duality of balance and duality and you are no longer balanced but you are in a dualitistic state. what i meant was confusion, out of zen i guess if you will or tao whatever you want lol.

things arent always b&w :wink:  . yin and yang still exists but it only exists in the form in which you apply your rationality of it.

thanks for your reply :smile:


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