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Fuck Oaksterdam
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It's clear their interest is in making obscene profits off cannabis users, not promoting their civil liberties.  They fired one of their faculty, a longstanding member of the medical cannabis and legalization movements, simply for expressing his belief that people should be allowed to grow their own cannabis without paying exorbitant taxes.

I don't have any problem with some taxation if that's what it takes to make it legal in the short-term.... but it's clear that Oaksterdam's priority is not legalization, but simply making fat stacks of cash.

Fuck them and the horse they rode in on :kingcrankey:


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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: Entropymancer]
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I know you're crankey, but what else did you expect out of the venture?

High ideals give way to $$$ in the end.  It's human nature.

It takes a strong will to ignore fat stacks of cash.


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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: youbreakyoubuy]
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still disappointing.


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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: youbreakyoubuy]
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Civil liberties > fat stacks of cash IMO

And hell, I can even understand them supporting regulations to help them maintain their inflated profit margins.... but firing an old-school activist and ally simply for having the audacity to put more faith in civil liberties than a big $$$ is really crossing a line... at that point they're not just acting on behalf of pseudolegalization for their own self-interests, they're actively opposing any form of legalization that doesn't line their pockets :nonono:


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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: Entropymancer]
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Entropymancer said:
Civil liberties > fat stacks of cash IMO

And hell, I can even understand them supporting regulations to help them maintain their inflated profit margins.... but firing an old-school activist and ally simply for having the audacity to put more faith in civil liberties than a big $$$ is really crossing a line... at that point they're not just acting on behalf of pseudolegalization for their own self-interests, they're actively opposing any form of legalization that doesn't line their pockets :nonono:


conspiracy theory anyone?


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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: ferrel_human]
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No conspiracy about it, it's right out in the open.


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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: Entropymancer]
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yeah you're right. i actually know someone who sells to the clubs and he doesn't want legalization.


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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: Entropymancer]
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You can make your own alcohol without paying a tax, I don't see why you should be taxed to make your own weed.


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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: Entropymancer]
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:rabble:


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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: Entropymancer]
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Entropymancer said:
Civil liberties > fat stacks of cash IMO

And hell, I can even understand them supporting regulations to help them maintain their inflated profit margins.... but firing an old-school activist and ally simply for having the audacity to put more faith in civil liberties than a big $$$ is really crossing a line... at that point they're not just acting on behalf of pseudolegalization for their own self-interests, they're actively opposing any form of legalization that doesn't line their pockets :nonono:


Maybe there's more to it then what's been presented to the public.  Perhaps there was some other motivation behind the scenes that led to this guy being outed.

How'd he express his opinion?  Maybe that had something to do with it.  Was he being a dick?  Sometimes people just don't work well together.  And then push comes to shove and whoever has more political clout is the last man standing.

Also, I thought Oaksterdam is a district of stores.  Or is there a single store with that name?

Sounds like the guy has some "stick-to", I'll wager that he'll probably find another place to work at and/or keep being active in the medical marijuana movement.


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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: youbreakyoubuy]
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link?

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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: Freedom]
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I have no links for you, sir

:awepuss:


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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: youbreakyoubuy]
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From what I can find, he mostly expressed his opposition through pubic speaking engagements, speaking primarily against taxation of medical cannabis (because medicine is not a taxed commodity in any US state). 

And Oaksterdam is a "cannabusiness" school, not a dispensary.

I don't have a link to any major news articles about it since they're not particularly concerned with the goings-on inside the legalization movement, but there's been some discussion of it on norml and other  legalization organization websites.

Here's an op-ed piece about the issue that isn't terribly well-written, but seems to have its facts straight.


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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: Entropymancer]
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cool, i tried searching 'fuck oaksterdam' but it didn't bring up much.  :smile:

I think that editorial is taking things too far.

Edited by Freedom (12/17/09 12:25 PM)

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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: Entropymancer]
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That's pretty much how I feel about the vast majority of the "medicinal marijuana" community.


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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: Entropymancer]
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Hmm.  That is fucked up.  Peron really does have quite the track record.

But really though, a big point of all the recent fuss regarding legalization is the possible economic implications (taxes) of regulation.

If anybody in the world could just grow it as much as they wanted without any problems, then who would make any money? 

Who the hell would want a guy working for them, when that guy is actively campaigning to take away your profit margin?

I totally agree with you though.  I want to see it legal and tax free.  And all I've ever wanted to do is to have a hobby in growing bud without the accompanying paranoia.  Bummer.

and whoa?  Jack Herer is in a coma?  :omgz:  His CCHH initiative is pretty sweet.


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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: Freedom]
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Freedom, I agree that editorial is taking things too far... but at the same time, I think a lot of these medical activists pushing for pseudolegalization are taking things even further afield in the wrong direction.

I have no problem with compromises to get cannabis legalized... but when those "compromises" aren't being insisted upon by the opposition, and in fact only serve to line the pockets of the ones proposing the "compromise"... that's where I get :crankey:


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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: Entropymancer]
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I totally agree.

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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: youbreakyoubuy]
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youbreakyoubuy said:
and whoa?  Jack Herer is in a coma?  :omgz:


Not anymore, but it sounds like he's still in bad shape:
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Contrary to web rumors that he had died, Herer spent nearly a month in critical condition in a Portland hospital, including several days in a medically induced coma. It was reported on October 13, 2009, that he had been discharged to another facility. He is "waking up and gazing appropriately when talking... but he is not really communicating in any way."


I'm really pissed I didn't go to that Hempstalk rally. I was in portland and not really doing much that day... if I'd known Herer was giving a speech there I'd definitely have been there.


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Re: Fuck Oaksterdam [Re: Entropymancer]
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but even if they only legalize it in a way that makes it expensive and gives big profits to businesses and government, wouldn't this be a move in the right direction? Once they admit that it is not going to destroy your life, they will have to lower the penalties for someone growing pot, because then the grower isn't thought of as a distributer of poison, just someone going around the system like the moonshiners, the moonshiners who are not nearly as heavily prosceuted as the pot growers are now today.

Edited by Freedom (12/17/09 12:52 PM)

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