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Re: A critique of modern language [Re: rebus_minus]
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very interesting, thanks for the post
i don't have anything to add but i enjoyed the passage


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Re: A critique of modern language [Re: rebus_minus]
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So his point is that in modern literature some books treat the reader as an inherent part of the artistic process?  That the reader of a piece of art is necessary to the art itself is an idea that is very profound and epitomizes most 20th century art.  See that painting with a few squares and a line?  Bullshit you say?  The artist has his own point in making it and you have a very subjective view when looking at it.  There are books like that also, though not many and they certainly aren't popular.

Books today (20th and 21st centuries) are much more complex than books from the 19th century.  This might mean some people cant get on board because they need the writer to preface the book with a glossary saying, 'yea you know that sailor I have in the book, well he represents the dying of the British empire.'  Or, 'oh yea by the way this book is about man's inherent struggle to understand the world around him.'  Ill take the abstractness of modernist and post-modernist literature, I can hang, not sure about this cat though

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Re: A critique of modern language *DELETED* [Re: Chespirito]
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Re: A critique of modern language [Re: rebus_minus]
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I read the first half and skimmed the rest as he mostly just restates his viewpoint over and over again.

Modern literature is designed to make you think, and in general the authors want the reader to take what they want from the book, or invoke a particular feeling in the reader without saying 'you should feel this way!'.  Your point about doing the reader more good if explained precisely just sounds like you are missing the point entirely of humanities enjoyment of art.  We have that already, its called cliff notes enjoy them

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Re: A critique of modern language [Re: rebus_minus]
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Please modern literature is far more deep than any literature that came before it, same goes for modern philosophy

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Re: A critique of modern language [Re: rebus_minus]
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:discorex:

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Re: A critique of modern language [Re: rebus_minus]
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Oh we're an arrogant breed alright.  And with good cause

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If his point is some abstract notion that language can't accurate describe everything than ok, thats fine.  But his point seemed to be that older literature and writings were better, which is bullshit :shrug:

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Re: A critique of modern language [Re: Chespirito]
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Not complete bullshit.

Over time language evolves, and accumulates for a better poetry, art, or artiface. Is that a stretch? Otherwise we seem to reactionary oppose our contemporary language, or in other words simply oppose progression.

On the other hand, and what we do not have such "ordinary" knowledge of, language corrupts over time and ruins the simple fluidity of its signification. not only is it diverted in complexity, meaning is apparently even lost over time.

I tend to think that language at heart is "just language", but even more basic than this medium itself (which it IS fair to point out) is a kind of flux. In practical terms, this is probably a vacillation of political difference. But essentially, it is the difference between philosophy and poetry.

I haven't read the OP yet; I am still deciding on that.


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Re: A critique of modern language [Re: daytripper23]
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Well I mostly stopped responding seriously to this thread because the OP has yet to make a point.  He merely posted some large document, however he has yet to say really anything on the subject

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Re: A critique of modern language [Re: Chespirito]
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What do you call that?

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Re: A critique of modern language [Re: daytripper23]
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What don't I call it?

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Re: A critique of modern language [Re: rebus_minus]
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Veritas est adaequatio rei et intellectus.



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Edited by rebus_minus (10/29/09 11:28 PM)

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:thumbup:

I'll read the rest tommorow/

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