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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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so.... my sister comes home, i ask her how shes feeling, she says,"fine" i say,"did you throw up?" she says,"no but i triped all night long",she told me she tripped until 5:30 and finally passed out.. so now this confuses the whole thing.. i am questioning her abitily to know when shes tripping but on the other hand why was she up until 5:30 this only further confuses what they actually eat lol

Edited by CaptainCrunch (10/13/09 01:19 PM)

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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: CaptainCrunch]
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Plagued by all sorts of diseases but can't afford real medication? Start using Placebo(R) today!

:borat:


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"Vegetarian" [ /ˌvedʒəˈteəriən/] - Ancient slang meaning "village idiot who can't hunt, fish or ride".

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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: CaptainCrunch]
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Ask her if she smoked or drank or if she was overly excited to have the experience.

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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Alan Rockefeller said:
It is not required to know every mushroom to make inferences about the genera that have black spores.  Some genera are full of toxic species, others lack them.  The black spored genera seem to lack them. 

We are talking about the Psathyrellaceae, Gomphidiaceae and a small part of the Agaricaceae here.  Its not like there are toxic black spored species lurking about, just waiting to get discovered.


Sounds to me like you are saying it is theoretically possible.

"Seem to lack them" sounds like theoretically possible.

"pretty harmless" sounds like theoretically possible.

How can you say that there aren't any black spored toxic species waiting to be discovered? There are so many unknowns in mycology, and you should know that better than I.

Do you know what theoretically possible means?

Open your mind up a bit.


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: Twiztidsage]
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German Kahuna i agree with you 100% they could not have tripped.. I'm hoping ill find some active mushrooms and i know we're looking in the right place, but i don't want to feel responsible for a choice that they make.. you Trusted Identifiers probably can relate.. thank you so much this community really dose care..

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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: Twiztidsage]
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Twiztidsage said:
Alan Rockefeller said:
It is not required to know every mushroom to make inferences about the genera that have black spores.  Some genera are full of toxic species, others lack them.  The black spored genera seem to lack them. 

We are talking about the Psathyrellaceae, Gomphidiaceae and a small part of the Agaricaceae here.  Its not like there are toxic black spored species lurking about, just waiting to get discovered.


Sounds to me like you are saying it is theoretically possible.

"Seem to lack them" sounds like theoretically possible.

"pretty harmless" sounds like theoretically possible.

How can you say that there aren't any black spored toxic species waiting to be discovered? There are so many unknowns in mycology, and you should know that better than I.

Do you know what theoretically possible means?

Open your mind up a bit.


the problem is when adressing mushroom poisoning where not looking for an open minded conversation were looking for facts. plain and simple.

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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: Twiztidsage]
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It's also theoretically possible that an ancient alien species lives in caves deep underneath Antarctica, waiting to be led into battle against humanity by Krusty the clown. Theoretically.
From a scientific point of view it the way Alan put it was correct. There is no proof that there aren't any undiscovered poisonous mushrooms with a black spore print. But after every black spored mushroom that has so far been discovered was non-poisonous, empiric observation allows us to assume that this is a general rule.

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the problem is when adressing mushroom poisoning where not looking for an open minded conversation were looking for facts. plain and simple.


Very nicely put, Sir.


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Edited by German Kahuna (10/13/09 01:44 PM)

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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: World Spirit]
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World Spirit said:
Ask her if she smoked or drank or if she was overly excited to have the experience.


also she did smoke weed and did seem very anxious about tripping again for the third time lol

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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: German Kahuna]
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So what does "pretty harmless" mean? That some may make you sick?

Thats not a very scientific term.

Science is not about assumption.

Correct, science is about facts. "Black spored mushrooms cannot make you sick" is not a fact.

I apologize for arguing, but it just seemed silly to me.

Much fungal love....


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Mushroom Hunting and Identification Rules
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MushroomExpert.com
Sample ID Request - Necessary for proper ID's
An Overview on how to find Psilocybe mushrooms by Shockvalue
P. cinctulus (subbalteatus) vs. P. foenesecii
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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: Twiztidsage]
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I think you don't understand what I was trying to say. Since you cannot prove that the very last unknown black spored mushroom has been discovered, you can equally not claim that all of them are non-poisonous. However, since we know a lot of black spored mushrooms from observations over a couple of hundred years, we can pretty safely deduce from this that black spored genera are harmless (it's not like mycology started to observe these things only yesterday, you know). Actually, contrary to what you said, this is exactly how science works. What you call proof is just the observation of a predicted behavior based on a scientific model. I am confident enough in the theory of non-harmful black spored mushroom to play guinea pig eating any previously unknown black spored mushroom.


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: CaptainCrunch]
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I get what you are saying, and wasn't trying to disagree. I guess I just play Devil's Advocate too much.

I too would eat any black-spored mushroom. I also wouldn't say that it isn't possible to get sick from one. Some people get sick eating known edibles.

And Alan, I still want to know what "pretty harmless" means? Are there black spored mushrooms that are known to make you sick or not?

I just think it is important to keep an open mind. Science would get nowhere without it.

I again apologize for arguing. I love you all greatly.:heart:


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Mushroom Hunting and Identification Rules
Puget Sound Mycological Society
MushroomExpert.com
Sample ID Request - Necessary for proper ID's
An Overview on how to find Psilocybe mushrooms by Shockvalue
P. cinctulus (subbalteatus) vs. P. foenesecii
How do I put pictures in my posts?

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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: Twiztidsage]
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I understand people in this forum who care about the shroomery's reputation and the safety of others don't want false information to spread. I understand people who have true information and knowledge want to articulate that and make it clear what is correct but I find some people here to be really petty and just anal. I appreciate that people want to make themselves clear and express themselves here but sometimes I read threads that seem ridiculously petty. It just annoys me a bit. This isn't a swipe at the TIs, respect to you, I'm just making the point that so much petty discussion goes on here. It's like you need to moderate everything you say because you know that someone will try and correct you in some way. Like I said, I appreciate people's attitude to spreading correct information, that's important, but the discussion in this forum seems more petty and anal than before.

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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: German Kahuna]
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German Kahuna said:
Plagued by all sorts of diseases but can't afford real medication? Start using Placebo(R) today!

:borat:



hahahahahaha:grin:


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: Eamonndoran1]
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Understood. But in a potential mushroom poisoning case I feel like especially the TIs need to chime in. That's what they are here for. I don't feel like is a good thing is to hijack a thread like this for a discussion about fundamental differences in the belief of how to approach this, because it's not a casual discussion and it isn't the right place.
What's your suggestion on how we could make this whole "I ate random mushrooms" discussion more casual and fun?


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: LuckOfTheFryish]
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I say we use a method of empathic therapy whereby all who've read the OP go outside and grab the first mushroom they see, consume it, and then report back here with their experiences! :whoah:

Of course, those experienced ID'ers will have to recruit a friend or family member without the first clue on ID'ing mushrooms to venture outside and claim the mushroom.  They must then be blindfolded and force fed the mushroom!*

*I don't advocate any of this.


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Ne me parlez plus de politique
Je veux sauver ma vie    :peace:

Edited by IcelandicSojourn (10/13/09 04:49 PM)

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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: IcelandicSojourn]
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*crickets*


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: IcelandicSojourn]
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nature is so complex, it could be of intelligent design


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: 2859558484]
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Always let the monkey sample the new treats. EVERYONE knows this rule.

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