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OfflineCaptainCrunch
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Need help possible mushroom poisoning!
    #11237206 - 10/13/09 02:31 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Ok so my friend john picked a bunch of mushrooms he wanted to eat them, he knows i have a fairly knowledgeable backround, so i said i would help him identify them.. well i was pretty sure all were panaeolus they where growing in horse manure they had a grayish look the the caps and reddish long stems, on of the spore prints was black.. i told them i did not not know if they where cincts and they blended them up and put them in lemon juice and drank them, altogether it was about 15-20 mushrooms split between two.. its been an hour later and my sister says shes not feeling great but not bad either and that she needs to go to sleep.. at this point I'm worried! I'm questioning myself, I'm thinking i should have stopped them.. anyway what are the signs of mushroom toxicity and how many deadly look alikes grow in and around horse manure with that description!


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11237227 - 10/13/09 02:34 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like Panaeolus papilionaceus, which is nontoxic.

There aren't many deadly mushrooms that grow directly from horse manure. 

It would help if you had pictures of the mushrooms.

There are no toxic mushrooms with a black spore print.


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11237233 - 10/13/09 02:36 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

There shouldn't be anything deadly in the poo.

Keep your eyes peeled for any symptoms of sickness. Do you have any fresh specimens left?

They could be useful at the hospitol provided anyone does get sick....

Most likely everyone will be fine, maybe some stomach cramps or upsets, but that can happen with any raw mushroom.

good luck and keep us posted.


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11237234 - 10/13/09 02:36 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

You don't need to be too worried. If the spore print was black then there is a 0% chance of them being poisonous. I also know of no dangerously poisonous mushroom that grows from horse manure, especially not one that fits your description.


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: German Kahuna]
    #11237710 - 10/13/09 05:38 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Wouldn't say '0%' now ..

But yeh it sounds pretty unlikely to me as well. Keep some fresh specimens, try your best to ID the said mushrooms, and if anybody experiences any illness within the next 12-36 hours it may be advisable to go to a hospital.

Stay safe, know what you're putting in your body! Next time it might be a patch of galerinas or amanitas you swallow and then there ain't no comin back.


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: Magick]
    #11237723 - 10/13/09 05:46 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Which mushroom with a black spore print do you consider to be dangerously poisonous?


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11237726 - 10/13/09 05:48 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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they blended them up and put them in lemon juice and drank them, altogether it was about 15-20 mushrooms split between two.. its been an hour later and my sister says shes not feeling great but not bad either and that she needs to go to sleep.. at this point I'm worried! I'm questioning myself, I'm thinking i should have stopped them.. anyway what are the signs of mushroom toxicity and how many deadly look alikes grow in and around horse manure with that description!



Depending on if they're fresh or dried, how potent and how many i've taken (and how much is in my stomach before taking), i ALWAYS start to feel not great, but not quite bad (almost, a little anxious for sure), and feel very sleepy starting about 30-90 minutes after ingestion of psilocybin containing mushrooms... about 30 minutes after that feeling sets in, i always feel great...


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: SuchSmartMonkeys]
    #11237806 - 10/13/09 07:06 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Those were not active mushrooms, so that feeling might result from them ingesting mildly poisonous mushrooms or it is a placebo effect caused by anxiety. If CaptainCrunch's report can be trusted (which I assume) then I am willing to bet my testicles that it is nothing to worry about.


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: German Kahuna]
    #11237811 - 10/13/09 07:09 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Which mushroom with a black spore print do you consider to be dangerously poisonous?




Not saying I know of one, I'm just sayin it's theoretically possible. There are other things though that people should take into consideration other than 'just' a sporeprint when ID'ing shrooms.


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: Magick]
    #11238199 - 10/13/09 10:21 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

indeed magic .... BTW  has EVERY SINGLE POOP DWELLING mushroom been found yet?  I do not think so ..... and has every black spored mushroom been discoverd .... Not that im aware of .... and arent most fungis edibility unknown? YES  ... and last ... could his friend have maybe found them growing out of a dead piece of  wood next to a pile of dung?  POSSIBLE 


My point is to prove a point here  ... I think  .. :stoned:


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #11238296 - 10/13/09 10:53 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

You guys are arguing with experts.

I just thought I'd let you know that.


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #11238342 - 10/13/09 11:09 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Which mushroom with a black spore print do you consider to be dangerously poisonous?




too many pan. subbs. could be deadly...=P probably have to be alot tho just sayin its possible to OD on em. annnnd....

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indeed magic .... BTW  has EVERY SINGLE POOP DWELLING mushroom been found yet?  I do not think so ..... and has every black spored mushroom been discoverd .... Not that im aware of ....

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are you aware that every black spored mushroom has not been discovered? no. youre playing with a double edged blade.


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: LuckOfTheFryish]
    #11238689 - 10/13/09 12:40 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think you can really OD on Pan Subbs... :rolleyes: and since when do Galerena's grow from poop?


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: Bretdaniel]
    #11238743 - 10/13/09 12:54 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Best of Luck Captain.


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: German Kahuna]
    #11238830 - 10/13/09 01:16 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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German Kahuna said:
Which mushroom with a black spore print do you consider to be dangerously poisonous?




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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: hidenseek]
    #11238849 - 10/13/09 01:20 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I don't consider that dangerous. Unpleasant, yes. But not dangerous.


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: Magick]
    #11238970 - 10/13/09 01:43 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Not saying I know of one, I'm just sayin it's theoretically possible.




Not really.  The black spored genera are pretty harmless.


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11239414 - 10/13/09 03:03 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

alright thank you guys so much for your consideration, yes everybody is fine today.. also i do believe they where pan paps they had a teeth like ring around the bottom of the cap, they where almost metallic looking on the outside, the younger specimens where brownish with grayish gills and a egg or dome like cap before opening up.. they where growing out of horse manure, and there gills were all gray, but not all of them were printed, and that exactly what i told them.. i think everybody will be alright but it just scared me, because i would never ingest anything without 100% id...


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11239425 - 10/13/09 03:04 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Not saying I know of one, I'm just sayin it's theoretically possible.




Not really.  The black spored genera are pretty harmless.




I'll bet there are over 25,000 (random number) unidentified mushrooms with black sprores.

It is theoretically possible one can make people sick. Don't get me wrong, I am sure that black spores mushrooms are safe for now.

Just remember people used to think many different genera were safe. Leccinum for example? Agaricus?

I am sure there aren't any, but to say something "isn't really" theoretically possible is a bit silly....

And what do you mean by "pretty harmless"?

The experts here are VERY well educated, but not one mycologist knows every mushroom. Again, I am not trying to argue, just saying that it is possible.

Much love TI's, I know you know your shit!


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Re: Need help possible mushroom poisoning! [Re: Twiztidsage]
    #11239464 - 10/13/09 03:13 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

It is not required to know every mushroom to make inferences about the genera that have black spores.  Some genera are full of toxic species, others lack them.  The black spored genera seem to lack them. 

We are talking about the Psathyrellaceae, Gomphidiaceae and a small part of the Agaricaceae here.  Its not like there are toxic black spored species lurking about, just waiting to get discovered.


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