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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Coherency, cogency and consistency are benchmarks of an ordered mind.

Doublespeak, babbling, and meandering all over are signs of an undisicplined mind and poor thinking/communication skills.

Which type of posts do you think should earn the most points?



The only way to win is not to play.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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Back to the hermit scenario?


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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yes

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Not "spiritual". I don't find it is necessary.

In the last 3 years a lot of change has occurred. I stopped looking for external meaning, stopped believing in the existence of purpose.

If there is meaning and purpose, so be it. Though I doubt in my mere existence I shall discover it. In the mean time, I shall live my life, and hopefully die in a relatively pleasant manner.

:peace:


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Goodbye Shroomery.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I used to be the typical hardcore skeptic atheist like OC and Icelander a few years ago, making fun of spirituaity and telling people they were crazy, denying all their experience because of lack of proof, but after a while I got smarter and decided to put the theory to test, and guess what, my life has turned into a path of non-stop discovery, each day I learn something new about myself or about the workings of the world. I now understand how I had blind faith in science, and this prevented me from actually experimenting with spirituality.

It's very much like science tells us the earth is flat and that is why we are afraid to venture beyond because we would fall off. It's the exact same thing with the mind. Science claims the mind is only in the brain, so people are afraid, or even refuse to go beyond simply because there is no evidence. Imagine Colombus having the same mindset as I used to have, as a hardcore skeptic atheist. He would go. no way I'm going to America, science has proven the earth is flat so we would fall off.

Isn't it amazing, how history keeps repeating itself and we never learn our lesson? Anyway, for those still filled with doubt, don't be afraid of experimenting, you can't fall off your mind.. lol.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Diaboleros]
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Ive never been comfortable with the word 'spiritual', and I always shudder a little when people label themselves as such, there is a strange sort of arrogance that comes with it.

still, i guess i involve myself in activities some would consider spiritual, such as yoga, meditation,entheogens, contemplation, etc. I just view them as things i do along with everything else though.

Diaboleros, you make a good point, a good skeptic is even skeptical of the skeptics, The truly scientific approach seeks reality, whatever that may be

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: icelandic]
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Yes.

For no specific reason other than everything is way too weird for this to be a metaphysical construct.


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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I believe that life is priceless and every moment is a gift we didn't ask for 



Like when you are at the dentist and the drill hits a nerve?

Or like when you come home early and find your girlfriend fucking your best friend?




Or being tortured in a concentration camp. Or starving to death before you are two.

Yes life certainly is all wonderful. Especially to those who have really never known struggle or pain or are young and full of folly.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: icelandic]
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Ive never been comfortable with the word 'spiritual', and I always shudder a little when people label themselves as such, there is a strange sort of arrogance that comes with it.



A fucking men.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Diaboleros]
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my life has turned into a path of non-stop discovery, each day I learn something new about myself or about the workings of the world


I dumped spirituality for the most part and embraced real science and guess what? Your quote applies to me also.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: figmentfragment]
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:heart:
figmentfragment said:
Not "spiritual". I don't find it is necessary.

In the last 3 years a lot of change has occurred. I stopped looking for external meaning, stopped believing in the existence of purpose.

If there is meaning and purpose, so be it. Though I doubt in my mere existence I shall discover it. In the mean time, I shall live my life, and hopefully die in a relatively pleasant manner.

:peace:



The path of wholeness IMO.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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c0sm0nautt said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Whenever someone presents an idea, I test it at the limits with a hypothetical to see if it still holds up as a universal. Has nothing to do with my mood.



I think a big trick to life is being positive. No one's life is perfect, but if you approach everything more positive, the positivity will come into your life. It's called the Law of Attraction.


"

Generally true. Good basic psychology.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Diaboleros]
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Diaboleros said:
It's very much like science tells us the earth is flat and that is why we are afraid to venture beyond because we would fall off. It's the exact same thing with the mind. Science claims the mind is only in the brain, so people are afraid, or even refuse to go beyond simply because there is no evidence. Imagine Colombus having the same mindset as I used to have, as a hardcore skeptic atheist. He would go. no way I'm going to America, science has proven the earth is flat so we would fall off.



Maybe you should experiment with discovering what science actually is. Your post is riddled with poor understanding regarding the nature of science. No scientific observation ever stated that the Earth was flat and no scientific observation has ever stated that the mind is only "in" the brain.
Unless, of course, you would like to point me in the direction of such scientific observations/evidence? That would be science. :smirk:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Do you believe there is some underlying structure to the Universe, or are we just accidents here trying to cope with ourselves?



The answer is unknowable and clinging to one view point or the other does not effect your daily life nor how you treat others.



this

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Diaboleros]
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Diaboleros said:
Anyway, for those still filled with doubt, don't be afraid of experimenting, you can't fall off your mind.. lol.



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–noun
1. Psychiatry. Also called dementia praecox. a severe mental disorder characterized by some, but not necessarily all, of the following features: emotional blunting, intellectual deterioration, social isolation, disorganized speech and behavior, delusions, and hallucinations.



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No reason to pretend that there aren't dangers when it comes to the matter of what meaning an individual ascribes to the nature of the reality around them.


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I dumped spirituality for the most part and embraced real science and guess what? Your quote applies to me also.



I'm just curious how you feel about the psychedelic experience?  What does it feel like or mean for you?  Some of those high doses, or breakthrough DMTs just fuck with my head.  Logic tells me its a "hallucination" induced by a perturbation of brain chemistry, but man does it feel more genuine than anything i feel from day to day life.


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L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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I have been using psychedelics for over 38 years. I place a very high value on them for personal exploration. Smoking DMT while peaking on lots of acid is an amazing thing indeed.

But what does it mean? There's a god? We are god? Your brain is god? The brain is an amazingingly complex structure?  The brain fools us all the time? I have never figured this all out and won't.

However I suspect it feels more "real" because it breaks the mental patterns of a somnambulist and gives a peek into the chaos that form is built upon.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Smoking DMT while peaking on lots of acid is an amazing thing indeed.

But what does it mean? There's a god? We are god? Your brain is god? The brain is an amazingingly complex structure?  The brain fools us all the time? I have never figured this all out and won't.



Do you think there is a meaning that we have yet to discover?

Or do you think this is the cruel paradox of order from chaos?


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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I'm fairly convinced we will never know what's going on. And that one day the human race will be extinct like the dinos.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Everything is paradoxical, nothing goes uncontradicted.

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