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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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no no, the fatty doesn't get more of a reward.  the incentive remains the same regardless of whether it's steady health or steady improvement. 

and it isn't such a short term incentive as 5 bucks a week.  it would be once a year.  so say in order to qualify for the incentive program, one is required to get a physical check up 3 times a year.  if by the end of the year the fatty has made noticeable - not necessarily remarkable - but noticeable gains in regards to physical aptitude, he will receive the same tax incentive that the healthy man who has remained healthy throughout the year would receive.


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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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but fatty does get more of a reward, fatty gets free health care, reward
#1, you then want to give an additional incentive for fatty getting ff his
ass as opposed to saying 'hey fatty, you weight 900lbs, we cant pay your
feed bill and we're dropping your insurance because you simply wont get
off the sofa, sure the springer show is great but you need to at least
walk to the mail box now and then because that's where we're leaving your
meals"

of course instead of leaving them food, leave them directions to the
town dum where they can forage and graze to their hearts content and
burial will be cheaper than buying a semi trailer for a casket

no incentive can compare to slow starvation


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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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i suppose you could make the entry into the incentive program mandatory once every other year or so.  so if you don't feel like participating for one year, that's fine, but you need to the next.  for those who repeatedly fail to appear or fail to show improvement/maintain the ideal, they will face higher taxes.  so reward the hardworkers, do nothing special for those who maintain the minimum requirements, and collect higher taxes from the repeat offenders.


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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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tiny_rabid_birds said:
i suppose you could make the entry into the incentive program mandatory once every other year or so.  so if you don't feel like participating for one year, that's fine, but you need to the next.  for those who repeatedly fail to appear or fail to show improvement/maintain the ideal, they will face higher taxes.  so reward the hardworkers, do nothing special for those who maintain the minimum requirements, and collect higher taxes from the repeat offenders.


I like the idea, but ill be damned if you can set one set of rules for a people. First of all applying the california standards to michigan would be a bitch... most people are over weight here. And someone brought up the BMI thing.. Anyone that lifts and has a good body from weight training has seen they have a BMI of a 50lb over weight person (electronic test.) Thats a bitch because my nutritionist tells me i need to loose weight and my Dr. tells me i need to gain. When i work out harder my body fat% goes down but i add lbs. It's confusing how they would have to handle it. Maybe 20 different parameters per gender.

I started this topic on a few boards, and im a little disappointed the shroomery failed to shit on me with this little gem:

If we had a canadian style plan take affect tomorrow where would we get all the Dr's to see the newly insured. Apparently (i never heard this) there is a medical professional shortage in the US. Theres way to many people for the current system to handle. Also someone brought up the idea that most likely universal coverage would lead to lower salaries for medical pros, leading to less students willing to take on the debt of college and med school tuition thereby increasing the shortage of medical pros.

It's a fucked up reason to say we should help people in need, but is still a valid question. How will the system handel this rush of people and all the treatment they will require, while still keeping up with ours.

BtW this bill will become a law, im calling it.


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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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why offer the incentive, why not let the the dead weight fall off and
reward the ones that work hard, maybe when grotunda sees that her svelt
sister is getting perks for her good health she'll either off herself and
save us the expense of paying her SSI for being a tub of goo

one of the things that's gone unaddressed was that obesity is a disability
so maybe we should disallow health care for the morbidly obese


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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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i dunno.  i liked the idea of the incentive actually rewarding those who put forth effort, rather than a fine simply punishing those who don't.  though i suppose it wouldn't be necessary.  it just seemed more user friendly.

i think it's the nice guy in me :shrug:


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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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one of the things that's gone unaddressed was that obesity is a disability
so maybe we should disallow health care for the morbidly obese


Not going to work. People with thyroid problems, or need daily steroids come to mind. They are fucked and literally can't loose weight sometimes. They usually end up with diabetus or organ failure too ($).
I know a girl that had a blood infection somthing or other that gained 100 lbs on the Rx steroids. They prolly saved her life, but it took her 6 years to loose the weight, and she lost most of her viberence and self confidence with it. Bummer, if your in that position.


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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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tiny_rabid_birds said:
i think it's the nice guy in me :shrug:



I'm a nice guy, would you like some more nice guy in ya?

think of it as an 'incentive'


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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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No trb dont want none... but i can show you someone who would

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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: rodfarva]
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rodfarva said:
Not going to work. People with thyroid problems, or need daily steroids come to mind. They are fucked and literally can't loose weight sometimes. They usually end up with diabetus or organ failure too ($).
I know a girl that had a blood infection somthing or other that gained 100 lbs on the Rx steroids. They prolly saved her life, but it took her 6 years to loose the weight, and she lost most of her viberence and self confidence with it. Bummer, if your in that position.


think of the billions we save each year if the sick people are allowed to die off

the thyroid issue is one of the great arguments against the incentive
program, people with hypothyroidism arent going to lose the weigh, while
it may be 1 in 300 that get it, that's still one million people that
simply cant lose the weight, diet, excersize, flab buster machines, it
doesnt matter, they'll never qualify for TRBs incentive program and
since it's a valid medical condition there's a million lawsuits for
discrimination.

the last few posts of mine were me having a little goof, I find the
ridiculousness of incentives for people to stay healthy to be ridiculous
because some people dont have the genetics to maintain that health, we
could put fat people in detwinkification programs but what's the point
if their genetics say it does no good


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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I'm gunna eat a bunch of junk food so i can qualify as a super fatty and then loose a bunch of weight so i can get the grand prize.  then rinse and repeat!

the real problem is fattys WANT to be fat.  they would love to be something else, but culture doesn't afford that to them. 

the benefits of eating junk food and watching springer far outweight (pun intended) that of being skinny.


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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: makaveli8x8]
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For those of you who believe that a for profit health care system
will provide better care, overall, than a government run system
really need to watch this video Profits before Patients


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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: niteowl]
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Yeah, you know which side im on, i just really want to undrstand the arguments better, it's happening like it or not IMO.


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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: rodfarva]
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The only real arguments against a public option
are coming from the health care lobbyist
who don't want any real competition
so they use scare tactics that many sheeple buy into


In every country that has public health care
the citizens prefer that option to the US profit driven option


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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: niteowl]
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In every country that has public health care
the citizens prefer that option to the US profit driven option


Not in Australia! Stop making massive statements like these.

I'll choose private healthcare anyday over public healthcare.

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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: Chubba]
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As an Australian I'm glad we have public health and have always been impressed by the treatment I have recieved.  I had a four day stay including surgery in a publc hospital last yeah to deal with a badly infected wisdom tooth.  The care and treatment was top notch and the only bill I got was just over $50 for take home medications.

Public health for the win.

If I'd had private insurance the benifits would have been a private room and a massive bill for the "extras" that insurance doesn't cover.


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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: Hanky]
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What state are you in Hanky?

All I know is Queensland public healthcare system is completely fucked.

Last time I got injured, massive gaping hole in my knee the size of a fist, you could see all the bones and individual ligaments... took 20 hours before a nurse saw me... then I got ~30 seconds with the orthopaedic surgeon, then some knob fresh out of medical school (literally ~2 months) did the surgery... the entire time he's literally going "I think I'm doing a good job, this should turn out good".

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I had a four day stay including surgery in a publc hospital last yeah to deal with a badly infected wisdom tooth.


Oh that's dental, that's a whole different area, the majority of Aussies go to private dentists.

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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: Chubba]
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that's typical of the wait times in the public hospitals in the US


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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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that's typical of the wait times in the public hospitals in the US


It's not acceptable, that's why I went and purchased private healthcare.

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Re: reasons the us is afraid of universal healthcare... [Re: Chubba]
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I understand that, I'm of the no insurance mindset because I dont
typically get sick or hurt in a way where I'd have my ass in a hospital,
it penalizes my kids though because of the way they've structured
insurance, to have the kids covered the parents have to be on the policy
as well

half the time I need care I just tough it out, it turns out that it
takes about 7 days to get past an infection with or without antibiotics,
I dont deem pain pills as a necessity be cause nothing has really ever
hurt that bad and the few times I've needed stitches it was cheap enough
to hit one of the hundreds of small doc shops we have and pay out of
pocket unless I can convince my brother or do it myself, I keep sutures
and lidocaine on hand for the critters anyway


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