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Potency in America vs. Europe
    #1103081 - 12/02/02 04:36 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I've been ranting a bit about this in ADM as well, but I've never gotten closer to any answers. Anyway, my point is this:

Are black market psilocybin mushrooms in the USA inherently weaker than the european ones?

I know this may seem like a ridiculous claim, but I've seen evidence to support this. In most trip report I've read from american people, they eat at least 3.5 grams (1/8 oz) to get to level 2 or 3. However, most of the people I've discussed this with here in Noway trip their balls off on 2 grams of the same species, Psilocybe Cubensis. I've reached level 5 on 2 grams myself, so when I see Joshua eating seven grams of dried
Azurescens, I'm frightened. Lower potency, higher tolerance, afraid to admit their real threshold dosage? Beats me.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but this has puzzled me for a while now :smile:

P.S: Most of the mushrooms on the norwegian market is probably imported from Holland, but I guess about 5-10% of it is home cultivated. 


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: fungor]
    #1103088 - 12/02/02 04:40 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I eat 2.5 - 4.5g of my cubies and I trip pretty hard. I think some* people just add a few grams when they're writing it out to make it seem like they took these massive amounts of mushrooms. Kinda like the guy everyone knows who says shit like "I smoked 3 ounces of pot last Friday"...



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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: fungor]
    #1103154 - 12/02/02 05:27 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

The liberty caps, which are the most predominant in the uk, are definitely stronger than cubes. I'd never had cubes until i started growing my own.

I usually take about 6-7 grams of dried cubes, but i have to admit to being a bit of a freak when it comes to taking halucinogens. And no I'm not exaggerating. 6-7 grams will get me to about level three. I'd need about ten grams, or more, to go all the way (which I've never done on cubes).

But i don't take any other drugs of any description, and i also live on a pure vegan diet, which is like being on an extreme continuous detox. One of the reasons I think that some people's thresholds are lower is because they have too many toxins in their brains contraindicating with the halucinogens.

I used to smoke tobacco, and was an extreme alcoholic, and the difference those made to tripping is unbelievable, a lot more intense. If you've spent years tripping like that, then tripping clean and detoxified is very peaceful and calm and one is able to deal with - and requires - much more mushroom.


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: fungor]
    #1103168 - 12/02/02 05:37 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe Europeans are just pussies!    :laugh:


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1103176 - 12/02/02 05:44 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting points of view from KillerClown and Mr. Wobblehead.

luvdemshrooms: I guess we're lucky, then. Saves us a lot of money :wink: But seriously, think about where you originate. My bet is you have european genes... Unless you're african american, native american or something like that of course.

Hm. There could be genes for alkaloid tolerance as well, don't you think? Is that probable at all? 


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1103181 - 12/02/02 05:47 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe Europeans are just pussies! 



Best single sentence reply I have ever seen. :grin: 


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: fungor]
    #1104255 - 12/02/02 04:29 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Do so few here have a sense of humor?

Or is it just you? Or did you just miss >>>  :laugh:

Or should we assume Norwegians are just slow?


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: fungor]
    #1104284 - 12/02/02 04:42 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i don`t see how there could be a diffence, if there the same species and grown the same way ,and if there dried properly .doesn`t seem possible.
but you know us americans we like more of everything



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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1104360 - 12/02/02 05:09 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Did you read my post? Are you sure you're not the one being slow? Read it again.
Notice I did return your joke. Notice I did include a smiley. Notice I tried to get the
intellectual discussion going again. Drop the offensive attitude. Stop generalising.
Smoke your socks and chill out, damn it.


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: chinacat72]
    #1104370 - 12/02/02 05:15 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Hehe, yeah, I guess that's the reason, then :wink:

It just seems strange... I'd understand it if there were a few people who take triple the dosage of what I do. I mean, tolerance varies, but when the general light to medium dose is 1/8 oz, there's something going on. 


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: chinacat72]
    #1104373 - 12/02/02 05:16 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I'm definitely with Chinacat on this one... I mean how would it be different? Maybe people are growing more carefully in Europe or something, but technically this is IMPOSSIBLE.


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: fungor]
    #1104431 - 12/02/02 05:36 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to:

But seriously, think about where you originate.



I did read your post. Or does seriously not mean the same thing in Norway? Does seriously translate to "just kidding"?

I don't have an offensive attitude. Athough stupid people annoy me. Since I don't know you I'll assume your not stupid and you just don't have a clear understanding of the word "seriously".


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1104467 - 12/02/02 05:47 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Come on, let's not drown this thread in flames. I have to defend myself, though:

I had a more or less humorous tone at first, then I switched to a more serious one to get the discussion started again. Don't you ever joke about something, and then say "no, seriously though" or something like that to get back to the subject?

> I don't have an offensive attitude.

Then why do you attack people for being serious in their own threads? Relax, man.

> Athough stupid people annoy me. Since I don't know you I'll assume your not stupid
> and you just don't have a clear understanding of the word "seriously".

Let's be a little more off topic, shall we?

your
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Used as a modifier before a noun: your boots; your accomplishments.
1) A person's; one's: The light switch is on your right.
2) Informal. Used with little or no sense of possession to indicate a type familiar to the
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you're
Contraction of you are.

Sorry, that was unnecessary. I appreciated your joke, I had a bit of a laugh (although I didn't show it by typing down a throb of smilies), and I tried to get the discussion going again. If serious discussions intimidate you, I suggest you butt out of my thread and head over to the OTD forum.

Can we please stop now?

For the record:  :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :wink: 


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: fungor]
    #1105036 - 12/02/02 09:02 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Got me on your / you're. I rarely make that mistake but someone always spots it when I do.

You relax. I wasn't attacking. You'd know it if I was.

Of course it wasn't spot on topic since I was responding to a comment from you.

Since you haven't been here long I'll clue you in on something. Serious or humorous discussions don't bother me.

In reply to:

Can we please stop now?



What fun would that be?

In reply to:

If serious discussions intimidate you, I suggest you butt out of my thread and head over to the OTD forum.





Not likely to happen in this lifetime.


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1105182 - 12/02/02 09:59 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Definately Just Pussies. Europeans grab some shrooms in between tea and some shortbread cookies. Americans grub on the shrooms in between some Budwiser and a and a bong hit. L8r.


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: fungor]
    #1105500 - 12/02/02 11:30 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Mabey it just depends on the experience of the grower.  I consider myself a sensitive user, usualy 1g dried of B+ gets me to a nice level 2.  I had 9 grams once and I was mentaly lost for a few hours.  My friend forgot where "up" was and was stuck on the toilet for 45 min!  The only way to make sure is to come down here and try some of ours  :grin:, and don't forget to bring some of yours... 


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    #1116395 - 12/06/02 07:22 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: coz2]
    #1116687 - 12/06/02 11:41 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Last Spring I went to visit my friend in London. He had a half ounce of Dutch White Widow his friend had picked up for him in Amsterdam 



Now that is a lovely weed, the greenhouse bred it and they won the high times cup about three or four years in a row with the stuff.  Next time you're over go to Amsterdam and pop in the Greenhouse and have a go at the Neville's Haze (that'll fuck you up :laugh:).  Lovely. 

I haven't smoked for months, and won't until i go over to Amsterdam next April.  Then I'll get twatted big time. 


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1116705 - 12/06/02 11:52 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe Europeans are just pussies! 



I've been to the us and tried your piss water beer.  Not one bar i went into had a real beer glass 24 oz.  American pints are only 16 ounces because you feel so inadequate in your drinking abilites.  Give up the Bud and drink real beer - Carlsberg Special Brew, though i have to warn you it's not for pussies!

Have you ever smoked good Euro weed?

And I'll munch more shrooms than any yank, any time.

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: 


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: Mr Wobblehead]
    #1116858 - 12/06/02 12:34 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

FYI, An Imperial Pint is 20oz not 24.



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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: Mr Wobblehead]
    #1116864 - 12/06/02 12:38 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

If you ever talk to Paul aStamets about me he will refer to me as the man who has picked and served more than one million shrooms.

I have assuredly outpicked and out eaten you in the last thirty years since I forst found liberty caps in Oregon in the fall of 1972, plus the amounts of P. cyanescens and a daily picking habit in Hawaii of 1200-2000 Copelandias on any give n day for over twelve years. my website has 2200 photos of 55 species of psilocybine contqining fungi including many Erupean species. so be careful when you challenge someone here at the shroomery. there are many peopl here in the states who most likely outeaten you on the shrooms to.

There is LK in Georgia and GGreatOne234 in Florida, Steven Peele in Florida and many here at this site who have picked and eaten way more than you. Mitchnast in Canda and Blue Meanine in Australia. so be forewarned, we of the shroom have definately outshrooms you and out eaten the amount of shrooms beyond your wildest a imagination.

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And there are many varieties of pot in America just a s potent a s some of the pot in Amsterdam, and many shrooms here with the exact potency of Erupean species which have the same species in Europe as in amrica such as the liberty cap, P. cubensis, and P. cyanescens, Concybe cyanopus, P. strictipes, P. fimetaria and P. pelliculosa. They all grow here in Oregon, Washing and British Colmbia as well as in California and can be found in England and most European countries all the way to China, the liberty cap also grows in Pune, India and as far south as Peru, Australia and New Zealand and upper State New York and Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island.

The Copelandias fromt he mediterranean to the Caribbean to Samoa, Hawaii, Tahiti, Australia and New Zealand and Africa and from Spaint to Italy.

So there are really no potency diferences since each shroom contains a different amount of three to four chemicals in them and vary from garden to garden and from field to field.

Cattle which are grain fed produce a more potent strain of shroom than a naturally occuring alfala cattle fed field shroom of the same species, and then incooor cultivation will produce an even more potent strain.

The Amsterdam shrooms are sold at one fresh ounce per dose. Dosage is actuall 3-5 grams dried or from one to two ounces fresh or an 8th to a 1/4 ounce dried.

Here in Seattle we have P. cyanescens, which also grows throughout Europe and even in Northern Africa. sometimes the baby shrooms will yield twent tothirty hits in a fresh ounce or four to six doses in a fresh ounce of large full grown shrooms, but we over here have definately out picked and out eaten whatever you have over there.

mj

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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: Mr Wobblehead]
    #1116875 - 12/06/02 12:44 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

>I've been to the us and tried your piss water beer. Not one bar i went into had a real beer glass 24 oz. American pints are only 16 ounces because you feel so inadequate in your drinking abilites. Give up the Bud and drink real beer - Carlsberg Special Brew, though i have to warn you it's not for pussies!

Have you tried Sam Adams or one of the many localized breweries? Obviously not if you say all American beer is for pussies. When I went to Germany and attended a friend's party, I was able to outdrink everyone there.

>Have you ever smoked good Euro weed?

Holland is the only country that consistently produces better weed than American bud. I've had weed from Germany, France, England, Belgium, and Austria... it was as good as weed here, not better. The quality of bud is not a nationalistic quality, it varies greatly from grower to grower.

>And I'll munch more shrooms than any yank, any time.

Is that something you're truely proud of? I've never heard of a shroom munching contest.


With all that said, I do agree with you that Europeans aren't pussies, but seeing as how that comment was clearly meant as a joke, I'd say you're doing more harm to your continent than good.


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: attar]
    #1116945 - 12/06/02 01:10 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to:

FYI, An Imperial Pint is 20oz not 24.



I am very aware of that. I said a real beer glass is 24 oz. And it is.


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1116980 - 12/06/02 01:19 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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I have assuredly outpicked and out eaten you in the last thirty years since I forst found liberty caps in Oregon in the fall of 1972



So.  :shocked:

If i'm ever in Oregan then we'll have to sit down to a plate of shrooms each and see then won't we?  I hope you'll have a few pound cause i'm going to be fucking hungry.  :cool: :cool: :cool: 


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: Anonymous]
    #1117046 - 12/06/02 01:41 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Obviously not if you say all American beer is for pussies.



I never said that at all.  Stop putting words into my post.  I only said Special Brew is not for pussies.  You're being paranoid.

Quote:

Have you ever smoked good Euro weed?



I asked the guy who called us pussies and generally slagged us off if he'd ever smoked Euro weed.  Why the fuck are you having another go at me?  It's only a simple question.  Again you're demonstrating your paranoia.

Quote:

Is that something you're truely proud of? I've never heard of a shroom munching contest.



You criticise me for not understanding someone's humour, while you yourself ignore mine.  Look at all the smiley faces below that quote.

But, while you ask, yes i am very proud of the amount of halucinogens i can munch.  Sammy Sosa's pround of all the home runs he can hit so why shouldn't I be proud of what i'm good at - tripping?

And what the fuck is wrong with a shroom eating contest?  The french and Germans have beer and wine contests, the Dutch have cannabis contests, why shouldn't there be shroom contests?  Don't be such a pussy :tongue: :shocked: 

And no i don't truly beleive that i can eat more shrooms than every single person in America, but at least I'd have a fucking sooper dooper trippy time finding out.  Competition is about fun and meeting like minded people, what's wrong with that?

The only rule is that puking is an auto disqualification.  Puking is for pussies  :cool:


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: Mr Wobblehead]
    #1117084 - 12/06/02 01:52 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

not to anybody in particular:

i just wanted to say that i think its downright sad to see so many defensive posts by americans in this thread. The poster of this topic was NOT trying to start a europe VS. america thread but most of you seem to have misunderstood. Why do all of you have to be the stereotypical assholes, defending their high and mighty america for no obvious reason. All i see is 'you europeans this, you europeans that' with an arrogant, nationalistic and sense of superiority-like undertone.

When somebody outside of your country has something to say, try to listen first before you go 'oh he's not from america, he must be a retard, let's tell him how great my country really is'

now go ahead and curse me to hell and whatnot, see if i have half a fuck


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: Jeroen198]
    #1117108 - 12/06/02 02:04 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

You hit that nail right on that head. :laugh:

We'd best be careful, Europe will be on their Axis of Evil list next. :blush: 


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: Mr Wobblehead]
    #1117120 - 12/06/02 02:11 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Whatever.....

We all live on the same planet, is the way I see it, the planet's got divided into continents, therefore an 'us and them' mentality.

If this thread continues to carry on the 'Europe vs USA' route, I will lock it.

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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: DreaMaTrix]
    #1117274 - 12/06/02 03:13 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

My dad's bigger than his dad!  :shocked:


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