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    #2691752 - 05/17/04 04:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Hey some one help me out please. I am going to be growing soon but I need to decide on a strain. Which are the most potent shrooms and which are the most easy to grow? please help.


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Re: Potency [Re: gibber]
    #2691792 - 05/17/04 04:49 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

P. azurescens is the most potent species of active fungi i believe but they are very difficult to cultivate inside. Some people may argue this but there really isnt a difference in potency between the cubensis strains. cubensis is cubensis is cubensis and the only difference between the strains are the macroscopic features. As far as ease, I would recommend either equador, B+ or thai koh samui for a first grow. Try using the nice search feature provided by the site to get more information. This question has been asked many many many many many times before.


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Re: Potency [Re: gibber]
    #2693105 - 05/17/04 10:08 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

just go with good old p. cubenis


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Re: Potency [Re: FatVsAsia]
    #2693839 - 05/18/04 12:22 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

nature provides me with equador, those grow nicely and good yields are achieved too. I hear p. cubes are 1/2 to 2/3 as potent as azures and cyans, but the thing I am wondering is if the trip is different nonwithstanding potency. If 14 dry grams of equador is equal to 7 dry grams of azures, would the trip be the same for the consumer? I know no two trips are indentical but would it be comparable as far as shroom trips go or would there be dramatic differences, perhaps in visual or the teachings of the shroom shaman :wink:


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Re: Potency [Re: shrooms777]
    #2699284 - 05/19/04 01:26 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

more potent.


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Re: Potency [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #2699716 - 05/19/04 03:46 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

so on what level are the woodloving shrooms more potent? 5 times? 8 times? more? I have done easily twice that on cubes, id recon 120 wet grams which is easy worth 14+ dry grams. I did trip quite hard but nothing like being sent to the "blue environment" You are saying just ONE gram of a woodlover would give you quite a punch and a trip to experience. I often get just a buzz on an eight or less of my equador! From your description, your saying any woodlovers would be 10x as potent as cubies! That means a medium shroom of say cyans would trip you good


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Re: Potency [Re: gibber]
    #2700048 - 05/19/04 07:53 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The most noticeable differences in potency will be when both species are dried out, assuming you do a shitty job of it.

Fresh-
P. Cubensis contains approx. 1.23% Psilocybin/Psilocin
P. Cyanescens contains approx. 1.21% Psilocybin/Psilocin

So in other words, if you eat your mushies fresh, you might actually have a *STRONGER* trip from Cubensis... If you dry out your mushrooms and then eat them though, assuming a large amount of psilocin is lost from heat/light/air damage, P. Cyanescens would be a good bit stronger than Cubensis, but nowhere near the strength of P. Azurescens still.

Dried (Assuming you do a HORRIBLE job at drying your mushrooms and lose almost all psilocin content)-
P. Cubensis contains approx. .63% Psilocybin
P. Cyanescens contains approx. .85% Psilocybin

This would mean that if you dry out your mushrooms and lose the psilocin, then the P. Cyanescens would be a good bit stronger.

Either way though, P. Cubensis and P. Cyanescens really aren't that much different as far as active chemicals goes. Azurescens on the other hand blow all other psychoactive mushrooms away.

P. Azurescens contains approx. 2.16% Psilocybin/Psilocin Fresh
If it loses its psilocin, it is still almost 3x stronger than Cubensis.
P. Azurescens contains approx. 1.78% Psilocybin

So if you want to campare DRY potency levels;
3.5g Cubensis = 3g Cyanescens = 1.1g Azurescens
These are just rough estimates, but doseages should be somewhere near here.

This is all assuming that the same active chemical content is evenly distributed throughout all the mushrooms for each species. If anyone feels I have made any mistakes in this, feel free to comment/correct (In a positive manner).

Reference - http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml

If all of that is correct though, I am pleased with my work. If it is not correct though, I will be pleased to learn from my mistakes. :smile:


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Re: Potency [Re: adoseofparn0z]
    #2704400 - 05/20/04 04:00 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

bump for his response


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Re: Potency [Re: shrooms777]
    #2709685 - 05/21/04 03:35 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

bump again


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Re: Potency [Re: shrooms777]
    #2709781 - 05/21/04 04:11 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

What response? Different people have different favorites, right? If you're to be drying them, go with cubies. They are easy to grow & the make up of them holds the psilocybin better thru the drying process.

Eating fresh go with pa cy or ps az, ps se...Easiers to grow would be ps cu strains b+, treasure coast, gulf coast, IMO, or pa cy


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Re: Potency [Re: adoseofparn0z]
    #2714275 - 05/22/04 11:35 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

BJJKJ


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Re: Potency [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #2714483 - 05/22/04 01:10 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't know they had been apologizing for that study but when I saw this:

'Fresh-
P. Cubensis contains approx. 1.23% Psilocybin/Psilocin
P. Cyanescens contains approx. 1.21% Psilocybin/Psilocin'

I knew something wasn't right!


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Re: Potency [Re: wandrnshaman]
    #2716924 - 05/23/04 01:00 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

mmm Sorry for any misinformation, I was just going by what I have read.


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Re: Potency [Re: adoseofparn0z]
    #2717204 - 05/23/04 03:08 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

"or eating 3 grams of dried wavycaps and killing their parents..."


then that guy should not even think about shrooming if large dosages cause him to go insane......


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Re: Potency [Re: shrooms777]
    #2731135 - 05/26/04 06:59 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

its a joke mate - dont worry -


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Re: Potency [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #2731199 - 05/26/04 08:19 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the comments Blue Meanie. I actually gget tirted of mentioning that stupid graph by Paul. But now Gartz is trying to tell me P. arcana is a synonym for P. cyanescens and that means he is not doing much research anymore. Ever since his bust a while back he has been a little less liable for shroom research at the university. Now he is doing a book on explosives.

Here is his recent letter to me about the species P. arcana. He claims itt is not new and is actually P. cyanescens.
However he is wrong because he never saw the papers on P. arcana by Borovicka.





So by readiung this letter you can see where he is at right now.

mj

BTW, he and my friend Tjakko Stijve do not like each other at all. They have been having a fight trip since i met both of them. Stijve is a very honorabole person and Gartz is kinda sneaky at times.

He publisheed my pictures in Europe as post cards but never told me so., If I would not have gone to Europe for a lecture I would never have known they were being sold all over Europe.

mj


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Re: Potency [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2731486 - 05/26/04 10:40 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

mj + Gartz = beef


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Re: Potency [Re: gibber]
    #2731513 - 05/26/04 10:55 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Potency [Re: Annom]
    #2731627 - 05/26/04 11:51 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Funny, that chatrt only covers Amsterdam grown P. cubensis, Copelandia cyanescens and the sclerotia of P. tampanensis.

AND ONLY THOSE GROWN AND SOLD TO TOURISTS IN THE NEDERLANDS.

Here is a graph of Copelndia cyanescens from Hawaii, Thailand and Australia,



mj

I have dozens of sherets of similar analyses and also dozens of chromatograms of chemical analysses.


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Re: Potency [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2731872 - 05/26/04 01:24 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Funny, that chatrt only covers Amsterdam grown P. cubensis, Copelandia cyanescens and the sclerotia of P. tampanensis.

Yes, the most common mushrooms that are sold in the Netherlands. It gives a good indication of the potency differences of different species.

AND ONLY THOSE GROWN AND SOLD TO TOURISTS IN THE NEDERLANDS.

The researchers got their mushrooms from bulk growers. Why are those mushrooms only sold to tourists?


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