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Offlinefungor
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Potency in America vs. Europe
    #1103081 - 12/02/02 04:36 AM (14 years, 4 days ago)

I've been ranting a bit about this in ADM as well, but I've never gotten closer to any answers. Anyway, my point is this:

Are black market psilocybin mushrooms in the USA inherently weaker than the european ones?

I know this may seem like a ridiculous claim, but I've seen evidence to support this. In most trip report I've read from american people, they eat at least 3.5 grams (1/8 oz) to get to level 2 or 3. However, most of the people I've discussed this with here in Noway trip their balls off on 2 grams of the same species, Psilocybe Cubensis. I've reached level 5 on 2 grams myself, so when I see Joshua eating seven grams of dried
Azurescens, I'm frightened. Lower potency, higher tolerance, afraid to admit their real threshold dosage? Beats me.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but this has puzzled me for a while now :smile:

P.S: Most of the mushrooms on the norwegian market is probably imported from Holland, but I guess about 5-10% of it is home cultivated. 


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: fungor]
    #1103088 - 12/02/02 04:40 AM (14 years, 4 days ago)

Well, I eat 2.5 - 4.5g of my cubies and I trip pretty hard. I think some* people just add a few grams when they're writing it out to make it seem like they took these massive amounts of mushrooms. Kinda like the guy everyone knows who says shit like "I smoked 3 ounces of pot last Friday"...



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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: fungor]
    #1103154 - 12/02/02 05:27 AM (14 years, 4 days ago)

The liberty caps, which are the most predominant in the uk, are definitely stronger than cubes. I'd never had cubes until i started growing my own.

I usually take about 6-7 grams of dried cubes, but i have to admit to being a bit of a freak when it comes to taking halucinogens. And no I'm not exaggerating. 6-7 grams will get me to about level three. I'd need about ten grams, or more, to go all the way (which I've never done on cubes).

But i don't take any other drugs of any description, and i also live on a pure vegan diet, which is like being on an extreme continuous detox. One of the reasons I think that some people's thresholds are lower is because they have too many toxins in their brains contraindicating with the halucinogens.

I used to smoke tobacco, and was an extreme alcoholic, and the difference those made to tripping is unbelievable, a lot more intense. If you've spent years tripping like that, then tripping clean and detoxified is very peaceful and calm and one is able to deal with - and requires - much more mushroom.


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: fungor]
    #1103168 - 12/02/02 05:37 AM (14 years, 4 days ago)

Maybe Europeans are just pussies!    :laugh:


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1103176 - 12/02/02 05:44 AM (14 years, 4 days ago)

Interesting points of view from KillerClown and Mr. Wobblehead.

luvdemshrooms: I guess we're lucky, then. Saves us a lot of money :wink: But seriously, think about where you originate. My bet is you have european genes... Unless you're african american, native american or something like that of course.

Hm. There could be genes for alkaloid tolerance as well, don't you think? Is that probable at all? 


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1103181 - 12/02/02 05:47 AM (14 years, 4 days ago)

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Maybe Europeans are just pussies! 



Best single sentence reply I have ever seen. :grin: 


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: fungor]
    #1104255 - 12/02/02 04:29 PM (14 years, 4 days ago)

Do so few here have a sense of humor?

Or is it just you? Or did you just miss >>>  :laugh:

Or should we assume Norwegians are just slow?


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Edited by luvdemshrooms (12/02/02 04:34 PM)


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: fungor]
    #1104284 - 12/02/02 04:42 PM (14 years, 4 days ago)

i don`t see how there could be a diffence, if there the same species and grown the same way ,and if there dried properly .doesn`t seem possible.
but you know us americans we like more of everything



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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1104360 - 12/02/02 05:09 PM (14 years, 4 days ago)

Did you read my post? Are you sure you're not the one being slow? Read it again.
Notice I did return your joke. Notice I did include a smiley. Notice I tried to get the
intellectual discussion going again. Drop the offensive attitude. Stop generalising.
Smoke your socks and chill out, damn it.


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: chinacat72]
    #1104370 - 12/02/02 05:15 PM (14 years, 4 days ago)

Hehe, yeah, I guess that's the reason, then :wink:

It just seems strange... I'd understand it if there were a few people who take triple the dosage of what I do. I mean, tolerance varies, but when the general light to medium dose is 1/8 oz, there's something going on. 


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: chinacat72]
    #1104373 - 12/02/02 05:16 PM (14 years, 4 days ago)

I'm definitely with Chinacat on this one... I mean how would it be different? Maybe people are growing more carefully in Europe or something, but technically this is IMPOSSIBLE.


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: fungor]
    #1104431 - 12/02/02 05:36 PM (14 years, 4 days ago)

In reply to:

But seriously, think about where you originate.



I did read your post. Or does seriously not mean the same thing in Norway? Does seriously translate to "just kidding"?

I don't have an offensive attitude. Athough stupid people annoy me. Since I don't know you I'll assume your not stupid and you just don't have a clear understanding of the word "seriously".


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1104467 - 12/02/02 05:47 PM (14 years, 4 days ago)

Come on, let's not drown this thread in flames. I have to defend myself, though:

I had a more or less humorous tone at first, then I switched to a more serious one to get the discussion started again. Don't you ever joke about something, and then say "no, seriously though" or something like that to get back to the subject?

> I don't have an offensive attitude.

Then why do you attack people for being serious in their own threads? Relax, man.

> Athough stupid people annoy me. Since I don't know you I'll assume your not stupid
> and you just don't have a clear understanding of the word "seriously".

Let's be a little more off topic, shall we?

your
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you're
Contraction of you are.

Sorry, that was unnecessary. I appreciated your joke, I had a bit of a laugh (although I didn't show it by typing down a throb of smilies), and I tried to get the discussion going again. If serious discussions intimidate you, I suggest you butt out of my thread and head over to the OTD forum.

Can we please stop now?

For the record:  :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :wink: 


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: fungor]
    #1105036 - 12/02/02 09:02 PM (14 years, 4 days ago)

Got me on your / you're. I rarely make that mistake but someone always spots it when I do.

You relax. I wasn't attacking. You'd know it if I was.

Of course it wasn't spot on topic since I was responding to a comment from you.

Since you haven't been here long I'll clue you in on something. Serious or humorous discussions don't bother me.

In reply to:

Can we please stop now?



What fun would that be?

In reply to:

If serious discussions intimidate you, I suggest you butt out of my thread and head over to the OTD forum.





Not likely to happen in this lifetime.


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1105182 - 12/02/02 09:59 PM (14 years, 3 days ago)

Definately Just Pussies. Europeans grab some shrooms in between tea and some shortbread cookies. Americans grub on the shrooms in between some Budwiser and a and a bong hit. L8r.


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: fungor]
    #1105500 - 12/02/02 11:30 PM (14 years, 3 days ago)

Mabey it just depends on the experience of the grower.  I consider myself a sensitive user, usualy 1g dried of B+ gets me to a nice level 2.  I had 9 grams once and I was mentaly lost for a few hours.  My friend forgot where "up" was and was stuck on the toilet for 45 min!  The only way to make sure is to come down here and try some of ours  :grin:, and don't forget to bring some of yours... 


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... [Re: FlusH]
    #1116395 - 12/06/02 07:22 AM (14 years, 14 hours ago)

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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: coz2]
    #1116687 - 12/06/02 11:41 AM (14 years, 10 hours ago)

Quote:

Last Spring I went to visit my friend in London. He had a half ounce of Dutch White Widow his friend had picked up for him in Amsterdam 



Now that is a lovely weed, the greenhouse bred it and they won the high times cup about three or four years in a row with the stuff.  Next time you're over go to Amsterdam and pop in the Greenhouse and have a go at the Neville's Haze (that'll fuck you up :laugh:).  Lovely. 

I haven't smoked for months, and won't until i go over to Amsterdam next April.  Then I'll get twatted big time. 


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1116705 - 12/06/02 11:52 AM (14 years, 10 hours ago)

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Maybe Europeans are just pussies! 



I've been to the us and tried your piss water beer.  Not one bar i went into had a real beer glass 24 oz.  American pints are only 16 ounces because you feel so inadequate in your drinking abilites.  Give up the Bud and drink real beer - Carlsberg Special Brew, though i have to warn you it's not for pussies!

Have you ever smoked good Euro weed?

And I'll munch more shrooms than any yank, any time.

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: 


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Re: Potency in America vs. Europe [Re: Mr Wobblehead]
    #1116858 - 12/06/02 12:34 PM (14 years, 9 hours ago)

FYI, An Imperial Pint is 20oz not 24.



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