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Re: peyote pics [Re: Cactusdan]
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Adam Gottlieb in "Peyote and Other Psychoactive Cacti" suggests that alkaloids should balance out with in a year and a half of a grafts re-rooting.

He also says that the alkaloid count can be upped by mineral composition found in Hoagland A-Z concentrate mixed in water at !:9 and used every 2 months.

Although his book is a little outdated, still thought you'd find that promising.


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Re: peyote pics [Re: Cactusdan]
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I own that book as well, got it on ebay for 6 bucks.  most of my knowledge  comes from people I know who have grow and have eaten alot of peyote.


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Re: peyote pics [Re: facemelter]
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Nice lophs! :drooling:



To eat or not to eat shouldn't even be the question.....
That's all I am adding to this thread....


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Re: peyote pics [Re: Flora]
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facemelter said:
I do have some that I have started from seed and plan on eating them too.    Im not hungry for mescaline Im  hungry for peyote and its specific effects



Yes, well.. the second that you repeat the same words about your feelings that the plants are 'meant to be eaten', but instead after having cultivated them, from seed, for years, yourself, instead of spending $100 to buy some from Thailand or from the long work of another persons hand and proceed to comment about how quickly they grow back.. Then perhaps I wouldnt think you're so ignorant..

You would not be so eager to 'perpetually harvest' this plant, for its hallucinogenic effects, that, as has already been said, can be just as easily obtained from OTHER FASTER GROWING cacti, that I might add are not under threat of extinction, had you witnessed first hand the rate at which this gem of a living organism actually grows.

You speak of 'hard grown' as if its something you know about, but
if you did, why, I ask, would you show such beautiful plants and then plainly admit you didn't grow them? Where are the rest? If you can show me that you're NOT ignorant as to what you're talking about, then I will retract EVERYTHING I said. If you do grow these from seed, have large specimens, have witnessed the rate of growth, appreciate beauty of the plant, etc... And still believe they're 'meant' solely for consumption, Then I'm  certainly not of the opinion you're ignorant. Just heartless.


My feelings are exactly the same about the Huichol.. Tarahumara.. Licensed Peyoteros.. and any other sect/cult/religion/teenager in their basement that seems to think that they can take and keep taking whatever they want and never put anything back, as if it was made for their pleasure and enjoyment and will never run out... So please don't feel as if being singled out.

Flora said:
um... i see nothing wrong with consuming peyote. sure, trichs are always there, and sure, trichs are always lacking. i'd rather harvest two 3 year old buttons than chop 2 feet of rainbow bridge. and though brigesii is close to lw, it is NOT the same.

if you want to consume lophs, it's easy to shorten the 20 year wait to 3 years. germ seeds, graft to pereskiopsis spathulata, regraft to myrtillocactus geometrizans or trichocereus sp., degraft, root, and grow for one year on own roots. you can grow softball sized lophs in three years this way.


Wow, Flora.. Whether you're hard growing your loph's at the same rate grafted specimens grow or you've got a certain species with 25% mescaline content, I don't know. But if you can consume two three year old buttons for effect, you've got something NOBODY else has for sure!

Also, what is rainbow bridge? It certainly cant be T. Bridgesii if you consider two feet of growth to be equivalent to a cumulative six years of Lophophora growth.. Im intrigued. Please divulge. I know that Bridgesii's around here will easily put on 18+ Inches of growth yearly once established.. perhaps you've been consuming Saguaro? Considering its growth rate, I certainly understand your point and concerns about sacrificing two feet!


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Re: peyote pics [Re: Cactusdan]
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Cactusdan I can identify with your feelings. Anything that lives should be treated with respect. The Indians respect their peyote they go and harvest only once a year, and collect only enough buttons to supply them a year round usage, they never cut into a mature plant. But their natural habitat destroyed and Mexican and US government ban the usage only for religious means, the numbers decrease every year, and one day will all disappear. If one grows a big enough peyote, 15-20 year old it will produce him year round supply of buttons - all he need is patience which comes with respect for this plant which is a life giver and a teacher.
Facemelter, have some patience and do not cut into these mature plants, your 2nd pic is a beautiful specimen, please don't kill it. Wait a bit and it will produce many buttons for you to consume, respect its life and conditions.


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Re: peyote pics [Re: Pacha]
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back to this topic again and it will soon be closed.

i share the same feelings with dan(bloody) and methadone and the rest who love their cacti(buttons). colums are better suited for whatever high your looking for facemelter.

now you say you didn't grow these. well good for you because its a long and tedious process. so the feelings of attachment we seed starters have you don't. which makes it alot easier for you to consume yours.

when i first started reading about this magical plant, my intentions where to experience the "trip" as well. i ordered seed and started growing them.

3yrs and 40 buttons later, i must say i would not have the heart to even hurt one. let alone eat one for some trip. there is columns for that. an ABUNDANCE of columns.

you have yours and i have mine. you do whatever you want with yours and i'll keep mine. simple as that.

oh and the next time you come to the shroomery saying you want to eat buttons, take it to  The Psychedelic Experience. because time and time again you will get the same reaction. or just say these are my plants and end it. you will get a much better feedback than say "these are my plants that i plan to eat" thats just the way things are here and when he doc sees this thread he is gonna shut it down.

TOTALLY OFF TOPIC

ps KILLER PLANTS FACEMELTER!:thumbup: such a shame you would eat those it makes me:sad:


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Nature is my church and walking through it is gospel. It tells no lies and reveals all to those who look, and listen, closely.
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Re: peyote pics [Re: ferrel_human]
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ferrel_human said:
back to this topic again and it will soon be closed.

i share the same feelings with dan(bloody) and methadone and the rest who love their cacti(buttons). colums are better suited for whatever high your looking for facemelter.

now you say you didn't grow these. well good for you because its a long and tedious process. so the feelings of attachment we seed starters have you don't. which makes it alot easier for you to consume yours.

when i first started reading about this magical plant, my intentions where to experience the "trip" as well. i ordered seed and started growing them.

3yrs and 40 buttons later, i must say i would not have the heart to even hurt one. let alone eat one for some trip. there is columns for that. an ABUNDANCE of columns.

you have yours and i have mine. you do whatever you want with yours and i'll keep mine. simple as that.

oh and the next time you come to the shroomery saying you want to eat buttons, take it to  The Psychedelic Experience. because time and time again you will get the same reaction. or just say these are my plants and end it. you will get a much better feedback than say "these are my plants that i plan to eat" thats just the way things are here and when he doc sees this thread he is gonna shut it down.

TOTALLY OFF TOPIC

ps KILLER PLANTS FACEMELTER!:thumbup: such a shame you would eat those it makes me:sad:



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