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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: Cannashroom]
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Cannashroom said:
Vaccines aren't natural.  You're not supposed to have foreign RNA, DNA and peptides injected into your bloodstream. 


No, you're not. But a virus is foreign RNA too, and saying that you're "not supposed" to get a virus doesn't change the fact that people do. We'll continue to fight fire with fire until someone comes up with a better solution. So far there is nothing more effective and safer than a vaccine. Your suggestion of vitamin D might be safer but I can guarantee it's not as effective.


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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: Cannashroom]
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People weren't getting proper nutrition 100 years ago to fight off these diseases.  They still aren't now.

You need to actively strengthen your immune system through diet, exercise, sleep and yoga.

Laugh all you like, I haven't been sick since I had to eat food in an airport because of a flight delay and I got food poisoning.  You can look up all the science about vitamin D and anti-microbial peptides.

But you're all just going to sit back ridicule me for something you obviously know nothing about.

Have you studied immunology at university, and understand how ridiculously complex and elegant our immune system is?

Do you know what a B cell, or a T cell is?

Your immune system can create an antibody for EVERY SINGLE pathogen possible (except for designed bio-weapons the government has been making for 50 years, since they did not evolve with us).  It has them all stored in the immune systems memory from when they were formed during your development.

Furthermore, there is much evidence to point to the fact that polio and small-pox were already in decline because of advanced in nutrition and sanitation.  Just we have gotten worse in nutrition lately and health of most people is slipping as a result.

Coconut oil is a great anti-viral, bacterial and fungal agent to strengthen you immune system.  The medium chain saturated fatty acids are great for everything.


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"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein

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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: Cannashroom]
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1976 swine flu killed 1 person.  The vaccine killed 25 and made hundreds more chronically Ill.

Which was safer? Getting the flu, or the vaccine?


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"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein

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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: Cannashroom]
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How many people would have died without the vaccine? Without that knowledge you can't make any comparison.

And since this is a different virus and a different vaccine, how can you compare it to one from 30 years ago?

Epic fail. Have you got any arguments that don't have gaping holes in the logic?

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Have you studied immunology at university, and understand how ridiculously complex and elegant our immune system is?


Yes, actually, I majored in immunology before switching to biochemistry in my final year.


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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: zouden]
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Yea, in my class the prof constantly talked about how amazing the immune system is by its self.

But they he would suddenly be like, but you need a tetanus vaccination!  What about all the stuff you just talked about?

Its the same in biochem, my major also.  We get to see how elegantly the cell uses its proteins for so many different functions, and how perfectly everything works.

But then we think we have the superior knowledge to nature that we can manipulate these pathways to make people healthy?

Show me someone who has been made HEALTHY by a pharm.  It doesn't happen.  Their symptoms may go away, but they are not being put into a state of vibrant health.  Only through our symbiosis with all of nature, and utilizing the food medicines available to us will we become truly healthy.

Look at how many medical applications a true healer like cannabis, or mescaline has.  They have a natural intelligence to their healing, something we lack all together.

All the secrets to good health are in nature, we should be out finding them for everyone.  Rather than trying to patent them for financial benefit of the few.

How many people have died from swine flu?  Around a thousand?  Couldn't we address more important health issues like all the people 25 000+ people who die EVERY DAY from starvation?

If we spent the money feeding the poor rather than inoculating the rich, we would save many more lives.  But that is not what this is about, its about money.

How many children could we save from starvation with the upwards of 20 billion that will be paid to pharmecutical companies for vaccinations? At least an order of magnitude more.


These companies are posting record profits from the swine flue scare, and that's the real conspiracy.  The media is working hard to rake in the big bucks for the share holders.

Now anyone who who denies that the swine flu has been hyped by them media for profit isn't seeing the big picture.

That is what is most wrong with mandatory vaccinations, after a violation of freedom of choice.



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"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein

Edited by Cannashroom (08/02/09 04:35 PM)

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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: Cannashroom]
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Yea, in my class the prof constantly talked about how amazing the immune system is by its self.

But they he would suddenly be like, but you need a tetanus vaccination!  What about all the stuff you just talked about?


If you were listening, you would have realised that your professor wasn't saying that the immune system is omnipotent. It's amazing, but it doesn't make us invincible. In the case of tetanus, you should know that infection doesn't lead to immunisation. I'll repeat that: your immune system will not protect you from tetanus. Even if you've been infected before, you can get it again. But you can train your immune system to recognise the toxin. You do this with a vaccine. That's what's so amazing about the immune system.


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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: zouden]
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But if the bug can't establish an infection then it wont happen anyways.  If you're going to be out in the bush in danger of puncture wounds without any antibiotics then yea a tetanus vaccination would be advisable.  Or if you lived in the danger zones, hot, damp areas.

It doesn't happen that much in Canada.  Good medical treatment for wounds and a different climate.  Really what are the chances for students to be getting tetanus at my university?  He was pushing vaccinating every 5 years rather than 10.  I don't feel I need a shot every 5 years for something that isn't a big threat to me.  Its more about the industry making more money.  I should have expanded more before.

The tetanus vaccination, I agree is a valid example for a good vaccination.

But the swine flu vaccination is almost completely about money and control.  Mandatory vaccination is a scary precedent of government control over your body.  Listen to Ron Paul:

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"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein

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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: Cannashroom]
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I haven't seen any sign that the government (any government) is going to start mandatory vaccinations. I find it quite amazing how so many people manage to invent stories to scare themselves with.


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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: zouden]
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The need to create a sense of urgency is common amongst such types, that way it's easier for their hype to spread.


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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: Minstrel]
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yes, one common element amongst all fringe types is existing in a constant state of hysteria.


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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: Taco Chef]
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novumorganum said:
yes, one common element amongst all fringe types is existing in a constant state of hysteria.


The first casualty of passion is reason.


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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: zappaisgod]
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Yep, just like with cults and religions, the coercion works very effectively by convincing you that you are sick, and only the cult has the privileged wisdom to make you well again.

Only with the vaccine/silver/bogus nutrition fringe, the sickness they want to convince you of is physical.  Makes it all the more easy to sell the snake oil, since any little thing you think might be wrong with you becomes a symptom of your 'unhealthy' lifestyle.


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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: Cannashroom]
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One major flaw in your logic: Nature wants you to die.


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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Autonomy makes perfect sense in this situation.

Consider this premises to this argument.

1. If it is possible for some to get the vaccination and others not, without a risk on each others health. Ie. A person who does not get a vaccination, cannot infect someone who got one. This potential phenomenon, reflects that the health food and fast food eaters controversy. On the one hand one group eats unhealthy food and the other healthy, then one complains about how they should have the choice what they do with their bodies and the other complains about health-care and taxes.

This situation is simpler because it really wont cost much in terms of taxes(it wont cripple the funds) and so the choice is exactly like the health food and fast food division, MINUS the thing that makes them conflict(the fact that they all work to feed a collective social resource system or the tax system). It will come to pass, that if the government allows autonomy of choice on this issue, a win win situation will ensue.

Note: My whole argument is based on my premise that one party cannot negatively affect the other. If it is not true, which I chose by virtue of my knowledge, then my argument collapses and I will have to take that feeling and use it to start over.

Well im off to watch some porn.  Peace political.


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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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I think your gonna have to employ some fuzzy logic on this one.  There are variables with regard to how one group might potentially affect the other. 

For instance, if the vaccine requires more than one dose, and is a two-stage regime (most, I believe are multistage), then it is possible for some to stop half-way through the program, and could be potential hosts to more resilient strains of the pathogen, to provide a stepping stone for a mutation to be able to infect fully vaccinated individuals. 

I haven't been vaccinated for smallpox, thanks in large part to the generations of my parents being so sweeping vaccinated against it.  It no longer has a reservoir with which to infect me.  I enjoy this luxury thanks to that thoroughness of vaccination. 

:shrug:

I'm sure the bioscience guys here have a better focus on this than I do.  I'll probably ask my friendly neighborhood virologist sometime today, and get back to this thread on it.

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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms (facebook) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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I need to stop spending time with my kids or something

first, I'm a conspiracy nut but I'm far from an idiot, unless you actually ask people read the shit I post

second, I oppose vaccines but damn, this is a bunch of bullshit

third, well third in case you didnt understand it the first time


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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: Minstrel]
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Minstrel said:
I haven't been vaccinated for smallpox, thanks in large part to the generations of my parents being so sweeping vaccinated against it.  It no longer has a reservoir with which to infect me.  I enjoy this luxury thanks to that thoroughness of vaccination. 


yep... that old safety net of 'herd immunity', I cant wait until
it crops up again and doctors are saying  'but it was eradicated'


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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I count the fringe types as a good money making opportunity. It's what bets were pretty much invented for.

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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: Minstrel]
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Minstrel said:
Yep, just like with cults and religions, the coercion works very effectively by convincing you that you are sick, and only the cult has the privileged wisdom to make you well again.

Only with the vaccine/silver/bogus nutrition fringe, the sickness they want to convince you of is physical.  Makes it all the more easy to sell the snake oil, since any little thing you think might be wrong with you becomes a symptom of your 'unhealthy' lifestyle.


Can you please elighten me to the "bogus nutrition".  When did saying that people need to eat well to be healthy become bogus?  As for unhealthy lifestyles, thats the vast majority of people.  Turning your lifestyle around by eating more live foods and exercising is hardly selling snake oil.

I'm sure there are some cults manipulating people by selling them nutritional info that is bad.  But the vast majority of people who talk about nutritional healing are spreading the truth.  By eating well, exercising, and having lots of vitamin D and sleep you will not get sick anymore.  It's called increasing your innate immunity.

Maybe you weren't talking to me, but I'm still gonna take offense to stuff like that.

Phytochemicals are real, and they help heal your body through anti-oxidant properties and gene regulation.  An apple has nearly 400 different phytochemicals all of which exert positive effects on the body.

And you know what else? All the nutrients are in the perfect ratio for YOUR BODY!  OMG!!!! its like nature planned that shit!

All the processed foods we eat now are nutritionally depleted.  99% of people eat diets which have mineral ratios way off (K/Na, is just the begging there are 70+ more minerals out of balance).

If you like to eat unhealthy foods that's fine, but playing off nutritional healing and well being as bogus, is helping no one, especially yourself.

As for my vitamin D claim, here is the study from my university: (bogus sun nutrition!)


J Immunol. 2004 Sep 1;173(5):2909-12.

    Erratum in:
        J Immunol. 2004 Nov 15;173(10):following 6489. Hanrahan, JH [corrected to Hanrahan, JW].

    Cutting edge: 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D3 is a direct inducer of antimicrobial peptide gene expression.

    Wang TT, Nestel FP, Bourdeau V, Nagai Y, Wang Q, Liao J, Tavera-Mendoza L, Lin R, Hanrahan JW, Mader S, White JH.

    Department of Physiology, McGill University, Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

    The hormonal form of vitamin D(3), 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D(3) (1,25(OH)(2)D(3)), is an immune system modulator and induces expression of the TLR coreceptor CD14. 1,25(OH)(2)D(3) signals through the vitamin D receptor, a ligand-stimulated transcription factor that recognizes specific DNA sequences called vitamin D response elements. In this study, we show that 1,25(OH)(2)D(3) is a direct regulator of antimicrobial innate immune responses. The promoters of the human cathelicidin antimicrobial peptide (camp) and defensin beta2 (defB2) genes contain consensus vitamin D response elements that mediate 1,25(OH)(2)D(3)-dependent gene expression. 1,25(OH)(2)D(3) induces antimicrobial peptide gene expression in isolated human keratinocytes, monocytes and neutrophils, and human cell lines, and 1,25(OH)(2)D(3) along with LPS synergistically induce camp expression in neutrophils. Moreover, 1,25(OH)(2)D(3) induces corresponding increases in antimicrobial proteins and secretion of antimicrobial activity against pathogens including Pseudomonas aeruginosa. 1,25(OH)(2)D(3) thus directly regulates antimicrobial peptide gene expression, revealing the potential of its analogues in treatment of opportunistic infections.

    PMID: 15322146 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Take 5000 IU of vitamin D a day and you wont need to worry about getting sick no more (Better yet, be in the sun all day, but careful not to burn).

The more and more I learn Biochemistry, the more and more I see the reason to eat well.  Your body works as an incredibly fine tuned machine, and it needs all the parts to function at its best.  By eating lots of fruits and veggies you give your body the whole spectrum of vitamins, minerals, anti-oxidants, phytonutrients, alkaloids, all to make you run at top performance.


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"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein

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Re: mandotory vaccine causes cytokine storms [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
I count the fringe types as a good money making opportunity. It's what bets were pretty much invented for.



it sells better than amway aparently


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