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Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail *DELETED*
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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail [Re: LunarEclipse]
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I wonder what vaccinations they were.. smallpox? tb?


I live in MD... i wonder if there's any protests that are gonna be around here

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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail [Re: LunarEclipse]
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Not one study, and there have been several, has found any link whatsoever between Thimerosol and autism. Further, there are thimerosol-free vaccines available if that is your complaint. Here's the answer: If your such a whacked out paranoid Jehovah's Witness-type loon that you won't have your kid vaccinated you can just home-school the future lunatic. And keep your little disease vector the fuck away from my kid. And me. Now that right there is a bona fide health concern. Also see chicken pox and pregnancy.

As to the linked rense article it would have been nice if the good doctor Blaylock had listed one single citation tieing autism to thimerosol in either that article or the one he wrote for the Journal of American Nutriceutical Association. Interesting bunch of coconuts over there too.


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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail *DELETED* [Re: zappaisgod]
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Edited by LunarEclipse (11/18/07 12:48 PM)

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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail [Re: LunarEclipse]
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rhesus monkey semen


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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Here's the answer: If your such a whacked out paranoid Jehovah's Witness-type loon that you won't have your kid vaccinated you can just home-school the future lunatic. And keep your little disease vector the fuck away from my kid. And me. Now that right there is a bona fide health concern.


let's think about your statement for a minute.

1) the large majority of children are vaccinated. therefore, if the diseases have no hosts to live in, the disease does not spread. Vaccinations have been around for what, 50+ years? In this country, most of the things being vaccinated against wouldn't be a problem anymore.

2) if you and your children have already been vaccinated, then why/what do you have to worry about if another child hasn't been?


and not everyone who chooses not to have their children vaccinated have some crazed religious stance about it, so get off your high horse


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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail [Re: demiu5]
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what goes into a childs body is the responsibility of the government? human instituitionalized sterilization is the inverse of health. they're probably giving the kids a chemical cocktail of sv40, thorazine, nanobots, and alien dna..


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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail [Re: demiu5]
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Crazed religious stance is not a prerequisite for paranoid Nutranut nonsense. I said Jehovah's Witness-type. I think these whackos are adhering to their own religion of nonsense.

As to your other points, obviously the diseases have NOT been eradicated and not everybody has been vaccinated otherwise there would be no need for vaccinations at all. They also do not work perfectly. The school environment is a veritable cesspool of disease vectors, called students, held in a confined space. So now the rationale becomes, well everybody else's kid has been vaccinated so why expose my precious baba to the deadly vaccination wheel of death and brain damage.

The most likely cause of brain damage any of these kids will ever encounter are their parents.


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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail [Re: machination]
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machination said:
what goes into a childs body is the responsibility of the government? human instituitionalized sterilization is the inverse of health. they're probably giving the kids a chemical cocktail of sv40, thorazine, nanobots, and alien dna..


Communicable diseases are a PUBLIC health concern. That's why we can indefinitely incarcerate (quarantine) certain disease carriers. Public health occasionally trumps individual rights. Too bad.


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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail [Re: zappaisgod]
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lolzzzzzzzzzz what other public concerns call for the infringement of individual rights. unwarranted mass wiretapping/surveillance, drugs lead to the destruction of society-illegalize em? freedom of speech?

are you about the shield and sword for the party eh?
heres a new signature for you:
"Schild und Schwert der Partei"


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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail [Re: machination]
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I'm not sure where I fall on this. Zappa does actually bring up a good point. Even if we look at it from a Natural Rights perspective, government has the obligation to defend its citizens from coercion, and that coercion could just as easily be from a virus as from another human being. But then again, something about forcing people to submit to having a needle stuck in their arm seems like coercion as well. On the other hand, if I have the disease, and I spread it to you, that's coercion as well. It seems coercion can't be avoided here.


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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
As to your other points, obviously the diseases have NOT been eradicated and not everybody has been vaccinated otherwise there would be no need for vaccinations at all.


i'd be curious to see the number of people annually admitted to a hospital or what have you for these diseases. I don't trust our gov't and just because they tell me I need this shot to protect me against something I've never had/seen anyone else have, doesn't mean I'm going to do it. In the event of children, they will not be vaccinated. there seems to me, little need for it to be done, whereas you see necessity in it.

the gov't tests all sorts of chemicals on their citizens and employees, many of which have proved to be devastating to those subjects' lives, as well as giving injections without explaining what they are or for.


And I never said a word about brain damage, that was someone else.


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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail [Re: LunarEclipse]
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LunarEclipse said:
Further, why should a parent have to know that thimerosal contains mercury and as it is clear mercury is a toxin then further know to insist on the "mercury free" vaccination?
Shouldn't it be up to the government to provide only mercury free vaccinations if that type is safer and is available?


No.
They are free to go to a private practitioner.

In addition - this article is misinformed bullshit. Utter wacked-out scaremongering bullshit.
Thimerosal does not contain methyl-mercury. It's an ethyl mercuric organometallic compound that's broken down in part to ethyl mercury in the body.
Ethyl mercury is not nearly as toxic as methyl mercury and doesn't bioaccumulate. Same with elemental mercury.

I agree that imprisonment is way over the top, but I see no issue with requiring vaccinations as a prerequisite to attending a taxpayer funded school.

-My opinions on public school notwithstanding.

Edited by eeso (11/18/07 01:33 PM)

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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail [Re: demiu5]
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The brain damage thing was from the original objection wherein thimerosol was mentioned as a causative agent for autism. This is nowhere supported by any study.

Chicken pox is quite dangerous for pregnant women and their fetuses. Women of childbearing age often have contact with schoolchildren.
There is a medical opt-out form in MD. There is a religious opt-out form in MD. There is zero reason why they can not be used. (Nutraceuticalism, though having many of the trappings of a religion, is not recognized as such).


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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
The most likely cause of brain damage any of these kids will ever encounter are their parents.


:ilold:

However, chickenpox and Hep B? Come on..that's unnecessary. Hep B CAN be bad but it's very rare and it's also not that common of a disease. If these are the diseases that people are going to get jailed for then I'm upset with the government.


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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail [Re: demiu5]
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demius said:
zappaisgod said:
Here's the answer: If your such a whacked out paranoid Jehovah's Witness-type loon that you won't have your kid vaccinated you can just home-school the future lunatic. And keep your little disease vector the fuck away from my kid. And me. Now that right there is a bona fide health concern.


let's think about your statement for a minute.

1) the large majority of children are vaccinated. therefore, if the diseases have no hosts to live in, the disease does not spread. Vaccinations have been around for what, 50+ years? In this country, most of the things being vaccinated against wouldn't be a problem anymore.

2) if you and your children have already been vaccinated, then why/what do you have to worry about if another child hasn't been?


and not everyone who chooses not to have their children vaccinated have some crazed religious stance about it, so get off your high horse


And that's the problem -- it may not be a problem if ONE person opts out, but when a significant portion of the population opt out you've set things up for a virulent outbreak.


I've never read a single actual study that linked vaccinations to autism. Wild speculation? Yeah, that I've seen.. plenty of that. Because mercury is, uh, BAD, right? And autism is higher in developed nations than the third world? And we get vaccinations with evil mercury here.. so.. that must be it! ZOMG
It doesn't add up. There's no actual proof. And, generally.. while your particular child might react badly to a vaccination, and that is a tragedy, vaccinations are a numbers game. You maybe make a few kids sick, in order to save many kids from getting much sicker.


Oh, and every new vaccine is NOT mandated. There's plenty out there that you don't need for public school or a passport or any of that crap.. but honestly I'd rather get a vaccine for something I might never come in contact with than risk catching something debilitating (but I will fess up that I never got a bird flu vaccine, because that bullshit was pretty obviously a steaming pile of fearmongering and media frenzy).


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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Chicken pox is quite dangerous for pregnant women and their fetuses. Women of childbearing age often have contact with schoolchildren.



that is so open ended and speculative. Ok, so every female from age 13-45+ all often have contact with schoolchildren. ok.

additionally, most people are exposed to chicken pox at a young age and don't have to worry about breaking out again. Saying that chicken pox is bad for a pregnant woman and the fetus is the same as saying an adult or much older adult who suddenly catches it could be fatal as well.

All I'm saying is that there is just as little proof that these vaccines are needed [in America] in today's society as there is that they aren't


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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail [Re: demiu5]
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uh, they are needed. measles, mumps, rubella.. they're still around. polio is still around, even. most things you're vaccinated against, are still around. you don't hear about them because they're rare -- BECAUSE of vaccinations. since they're still out in the wild, if a sufficiently-sized population of unvaccinated individuals were to encounter one of them?

mix, stir, add water, instant epidemic.

that's how it works.


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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail [Re: Mushmonkey]
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then what are these immunizations you have already taken doing for you?

do you keep forgetting that you have already been immunized? even if you were being exposed to these things on any given day, would you know?

though sometimes the immunization isn't strong enough to protect an individual, this is rare.


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Re: Forced Vaccinations or 10 Days In Jail [Re: Mushmonkey]
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since they're still out in the wild


What do you mean by this?  Where do you think that measles, polio, mumps & rubella are, exactly?  Biding their time in the woods, waiting for an unsuspecting, unvaccinated human to wander through?  :lol:

Bad, evil diseases!  And, of course, the parents of unvaccinated children should be arrested and charged with being accessories to infection!  Aiding and abetting a felonious germ!  Lock them up and throw away the key!

:rofl:  Humans are such funny creatures.

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